First visit @ Nürburgring in 2023; having fun with GT3's etc

[Franzino]

[RikkertBiemans]

That life110 suspension and geo really seem to take all the drift out of the car compared to this video:
https://youtu.be/VPGaV6eN1bI

Not sure if I like that, but great driving anyways!

[Franzino]

RikkertBiemans said:

That life110 suspension and geo really seem to take all the drift out of the car compared to this video:
https://youtu.be/VPGaV6eN1bI

Not sure if I like that, but great driving anyways!

The video you posted as reference is a totally different driving style. I know how a normal A110 drives and how this guy slides and drifts is not how you want to drive on a dangerous track like Nürburgring with Touristenfahrten. I never experienced that the (standard) A110 would drive like this by himself...it's pushed and provoked in these slides by the driver. If my buddy with a normal Pure drives with me on track then there is no sliding and drifting as in seen in this video, because he does not want it to do so (he could if he wanted).

Yes; the Life110 springs make the normal A110 more stable, more controllable and better balanced under braking...but in combination with the soft dampers and soft ARB's you still feel the A110 was designed as a playfull and soft car. A feeling that is (for my taste) lost a little in the A110S, but is still there in a normal A110 fitted with Life110 springs / alignment. It's a personal preference but for my taste and my driving style I 100% like a Life110 fine tuned A110 way more then a standard one and I would never go back myself. For me it's the best of both worlds (between a normal basic A110 and the stiffer A110S).

When we got the A110 Légende in 2019 I liked the car....now with a few tweaks I adore the car

[Olivera]

RikkertBiemans said:

That life110 suspension and geo really seem to take all the drift out of the car compared to this video:
https://youtu.be/VPGaV6eN1bI

The lift-off/roll oversteer at 7:25 on the final corner is quite dangerous, you've got one chance to save it, fail and the car will be totalled and you'll owe the Nurburgring about 20k euros for armco repair and track closure

I personally love an oversteering car, bit it's arguably better to have something that oversteers when provoked under power (usually with an LSD) than via loose body control, as the latter can result in high speed oversteer like in this video.

The A110s do seem to be Nordeschliefe weapons in the right hands

[domrusty]

Nice! Always great to see the little A110 humble a supercar or two…

Thanks for sharing.

[CharleyFarley66]

Franzino: great video and many thanks for sharing it. I guess it's an added bonus to watch not only a Porsche but also a Ferrari owner having to reassess both their own cars' handling/cornering abilities - and their own driving abilities! That pass to clear the Porsche out of the way was sublime.

[Franzino]

[Aventador 700]

Interesting, what are the lap times for the Alpine then?

Eta: thats some pretty cool company!

Edited by Aventador 700 on Wednesday 10th May 08:31

[Terminator X]

Interesting to see the high power cars pull on the straights then get reeled back in at each corner! What sort of lap time are you doing?

TX.

[Franzino]

Terminator X said:

Interesting to see the high power cars pull on the straights then get reeled back in at each corner! What sort of lap time are you doing?

TX.

I don’t really time my laps…if you want to do super fast laps then the traffic has to be low. On TF this not really possible. I know from the past that with my M2 I do 8 minutes BTG on an almost empty Nürburgring. Anyway; there are no prizes to win and it's only for fun

[Terminator X]

Franzino said:

Terminator X said:

Interesting to see the high power cars pull on the straights then get reeled back in at each corner! What sort of lap time are you doing?

TX.

I don’t really time my laps…if you want to do super fast laps then the traffic has to be low. On TF this not really possible. I know from the past that with my M2 I do 8 minutes BTG on an almost empty Nürburgring. Anyway; there are no prizes to win and it's only for fun

Well you look like a good driver for sure so well played!

TX.

[Franzino]

Terminator X said:

Well you look like a good driver for sure so well played!

TX.

Thanks

[Olivera]

Franzino said:

The video you posted as reference is a totally different driving style. I know how a normal A110 drives and how this guy slides and drifts is not how you want to drive on a dangerous track like Nürburgring with Touristenfahrten. I never experienced that the (standard) A110 would drive like this by himself...it's pushed and provoked in these slides by the driver. If my buddy with a normal Pure drives with me on track then there is no sliding and drifting as in seen in this video, because he does not want it to do so (he could if he wanted).

Franzino, I have a difference of opinion here. The reason why that other driver is experiencing oversteer in the A110 at the limit isn't because he's just deliberately provoking it, it's because he's simply going at a much higher pace than you and therefore pushing the limits more. He's almost 1 whole minute faster than your lap, which is a huge difference. Not that your lap is slow, I would say yours is 'fast' to his 'very fast'. I've seen and read enough analysis about the A110 from trusted sources that say while the low spring rates are good for road driving, they result in sloppy body control (and hence understeer/oversteer) when pushed to extremes on the road or track.

[Franzino]

Olivera said:

Franzino, I have a difference of opinion here. The reason why that other driver is experiencing oversteer in the A110 at the limit isn't because he's just deliberately provoking it, it's because he's simply going at a much higher pace than you and therefore pushing the limits more. He's almost 1 whole minute faster than your lap, which is a huge difference. Not that your lap is slow, I would say yours is 'fast' to his 'very fast'. I've seen and read enough analysis about the A110 from trusted sources that say while the low spring rates are good for road driving, they result in sloppy body control (and hence understeer/oversteer) when pushed to extremes on the road or track.

He is certainly way faster than me, because he is pushing way more to the limit than me…that is obvious and was their goal (= laptime video). I was not pushing that hard for a laptime and there is also the difference in traffic. Personally I would not want to push that hard on a track like Nürburgring with touristenfahrten.

By the way; the video posted on the Gears Garage channel with the sliding Alpine is originally from the French L’ Argus You Tube channel with a pro driver and the goal to have the fastest A110 lap possible. Look at the other L’ Argus videos and you will see that sliding and aggressive driving is how the guy in the A110 drives with most of the cars they use for a laptime video:




As a reference; look here at the super fast (full) lap from the well known AutoSport. The difference in driving style (sliding and provoking) is obvious I think. Way less oversteer and probably also even a faster lap? Look at the last corner (Galgenkopf) before the long straight (before the Audi bridge).




The difference in driving style and oversteer is very noticeable between the two “laptime” drivers I think => In exactly the same corner, with the same model of A110 and both going super fast; the L’Argus driver is full oversteer and the AutoSport is stable and with zero oversteer (look at the position of their steering wheel).



It’s true that on the limit; when pushing hard the standard A110 (with standard soft springs) will oversteer rather easy. But as stated before; to my eyes the excessive oversteer in the L’ Argus video has also a lot to do with the guy his typical aggressive driving style and some lift off oversteer in certain corners.

My reply on the video was mainly to this statement; “That life110 suspension and geo really seem to take all the drift out of the car compared to this video”. As stated I think the Life110 (springs & alignment) does not take all the drift out of the car; because the set up is still with soft dampers and soft ARB’s. The soft ARB’s create more oversteer than the ARB’s from the S. The S is a little more understeer sensitive, but faster, more stable on Nürburgring.

In my response I said; “I never experienced that the (standard) A110 would drive like this by himself...it's pushed and provoked in these slides by the driver”. By pushed and provoked I mean; driven hard on the limit and being highly aggressive with the car and throttle. I just wanted to point out; that when driving fast on track with a A110 it does not automatically means the car will slide this much straight away when driving fast…it does this when pushed and provoked to do so and with a specific driving style. When the response video was posted by RikkertBiemans it seemed to suggest that a standard A110 would always slide like this on track and that our car with the Life110 would not do this.