photo of rear of updated carplay compat infotainment box?
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would anyone be willing to get a pic of the back of the current (2022+) Bosch unit that is where glovebox would be, I believe access is straightforward and can get instructions.
armed with a pic it would be possible to determine if a retrofit of a current units would work fine in older a110s at least from the point of view of all the connectors even without the 4g antenna.
It seems alpine is not interested in an upgrade path for their old customers but it is more than possible the updated unit is compatible with screen and canbus and therefore would be one way to add carplay to older cars
armed with a pic it would be possible to determine if a retrofit of a current units would work fine in older a110s at least from the point of view of all the connectors even without the 4g antenna.
It seems alpine is not interested in an upgrade path for their old customers but it is more than possible the updated unit is compatible with screen and canbus and therefore would be one way to add carplay to older cars
I looked high and low for the pics in this thread but then realised you need to see the module rather than screen connectors - but will add here anyway:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Very keen to sort this, I think its been explored before and not possible though.
French people are doing something similar already: https://forum.alpinerenault.com/viewtopic.php?f=98... and here is the github page in english, https://github.com/MyAlpDroid/AlpDroid/wiki/Home-E...
French people are doing something similar already: https://forum.alpinerenault.com/viewtopic.php?f=98... and here is the github page in english, https://github.com/MyAlpDroid/AlpDroid/wiki/Home-E...
Edited by Juffled on Saturday 31st December 11:21
it is the android replacement guy that wants the pic.
it hasn't been tried yet to his knowledge and he said first step is checking if rear of updated unit is the same as old one.
he asked an owner previously probably on the french forum but it did not happen
the pic in the thread linked above shows the dash screen but there is no reason that a cable adapter could not be made or both updated screen and main unit be purchased (plus a cable). The screen connectors are LVDS for video and another cable for touch events. It is very dumb.
it hasn't been tried yet to his knowledge and he said first step is checking if rear of updated unit is the same as old one.
he asked an owner previously probably on the french forum but it did not happen
the pic in the thread linked above shows the dash screen but there is no reason that a cable adapter could not be made or both updated screen and main unit be purchased (plus a cable). The screen connectors are LVDS for video and another cable for touch events. It is very dumb.
Edited by a110au on Saturday 31st December 21:48
Someone has definitely looked into swapping them, I cannot remember where it is, but I think the general outcome was something like
- Alpine UK (?) wouldnt even quote a price for an infotainment unit from the new model,
- Its not just a straight plug and play because the carplay unit/module complicates things a lot
The French guy has seen that screen pic before he said it isn't a problem the connector type is just changed from one standard type to another it still performs the same function
I think the complexity thing is tosh. I suspect alpine don't want to pay for a CarPlay per car.
Whether they've locked their s/w by vin somehow so a new unit doesn't boot unless it is r00ted, or are trying to suppress the possibility by telling dealers not to sell them, is really the main question.
I think the complexity thing is tosh. I suspect alpine don't want to pay for a CarPlay per car.
Whether they've locked their s/w by vin somehow so a new unit doesn't boot unless it is r00ted, or are trying to suppress the possibility by telling dealers not to sell them, is really the main question.
It would be great if the updated infotainment system could be retro-fitted to pre-2022 cars but it's hardly possible I reckon. It's a completely different system which also needs to take into account that the rear camera view is now also displayed on the screen; and no longer within the main dashboard binnacle. I'm afraid a retro-fit will remain as wishful thinking; or at least until we see one of our French compatriots showing a successful conversion. And if it was possible, we would have surely heard about it by now.
But, the question is, is the Alpine updated infotainment system any good? i.e. is it worth the cost and effort even if a retro-fit was possible? It might be better than the old system, but is it really anything to write home about? I read somewhere recently on this forum that the Telemetrics app on the new system is pretty useless and unstable? Perhaps that's one area where the old infotainment system was in fact better?
Do we have any comparison reviews by folks who owned a pre-2022 car and who now own a 2022+ car? That's the best litmus test I would say on whether the new system is any good in its own right; and how it compares to the old system (other than the fact there are now Apply CarPlay and Android Auto connections).
But, the question is, is the Alpine updated infotainment system any good? i.e. is it worth the cost and effort even if a retro-fit was possible? It might be better than the old system, but is it really anything to write home about? I read somewhere recently on this forum that the Telemetrics app on the new system is pretty useless and unstable? Perhaps that's one area where the old infotainment system was in fact better?
Do we have any comparison reviews by folks who owned a pre-2022 car and who now own a 2022+ car? That's the best litmus test I would say on whether the new system is any good in its own right; and how it compares to the old system (other than the fact there are now Apply CarPlay and Android Auto connections).
Edited by Meonstoke on Sunday 22 January 21:30
rear camera can be added to older cars easily I have the kit from alibaba it was for a jimny it attaches to back of Bosch in area where glovebox normally is. Newer alpines display reverse cam in driver dash, that is different software. Older ones will display video when you select R on the center screen.
there is also a possible solution for carplay that was designed for other vehicles with this bosch unit, it inserts itself between the cable to the tablet, and the usb to the tablet, and supposedly can toggle between carplay and the native video. There are two manufacturers of this one of them (carlinkit) has stopped making it (no demand) the other does still make one. Not sure I will try it. It may not work for other reasons.
the third option is a unit for cars with video in, it can display carplay over video in. It comes with its own controller which you mount somewhere. It might be possible to use bosch video in (reverse cam) to use this.
the fourth option is the french open source project and his android tablet solution.
since alpine refuse to sell the new bosch to owners of the older cars, that route seems dead - even if it could work.
I read on fb group the new telematics software is inferior to the original one. Cannot be configured to display all temps? not sure. It doesnt seem to be better in any way.
there is also a possible solution for carplay that was designed for other vehicles with this bosch unit, it inserts itself between the cable to the tablet, and the usb to the tablet, and supposedly can toggle between carplay and the native video. There are two manufacturers of this one of them (carlinkit) has stopped making it (no demand) the other does still make one. Not sure I will try it. It may not work for other reasons.
the third option is a unit for cars with video in, it can display carplay over video in. It comes with its own controller which you mount somewhere. It might be possible to use bosch video in (reverse cam) to use this.
the fourth option is the french open source project and his android tablet solution.
since alpine refuse to sell the new bosch to owners of the older cars, that route seems dead - even if it could work.
I read on fb group the new telematics software is inferior to the original one. Cannot be configured to display all temps? not sure. It doesnt seem to be better in any way.
a110au said:
rear camera can be added to older cars easily I have the kit from alibaba it was for a jimny it attaches to back of Bosch in area where glovebox normally is. Newer alpines display reverse cam in driver dash, that is different software. Older ones will display video when you select R on the center screen.
Could you post a link please - if I query jimny reversing camera on Alibaba I get a reversing camera for a lorry!"Newer alpines display reverse cam in driver dash, that is different software. Older ones will display video when you select R on the center screen".
Don't you mean the other way round? I have a 2021 model with the old infotainment system, and the reversing camera is definitely displayed in the driver dash / binnacle. I was under the impression that the new infotainment system now displays the reverse camera images in the central infotainment display, or not ?
Don't you mean the other way round? I have a 2021 model with the old infotainment system, and the reversing camera is definitely displayed in the driver dash / binnacle. I was under the impression that the new infotainment system now displays the reverse camera images in the central infotainment display, or not ?
oh what I meant was old cars that never has reverse camera at all could display video on the center stack if they get a third party one installed
I wasnt aware there are two official reverse camera types thought only driver display was official.. if so, is that what happened? earlier reverse to drivers display and currently to center stack?
I wasnt aware there are two official reverse camera types thought only driver display was official.. if so, is that what happened? earlier reverse to drivers display and currently to center stack?
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