Engine failure hazard strikes again
Discussion
Oh no, not a MY22 car, I thought all this kind of stuff only affected older cars (MY18?) and had been pretty much eradicated.
I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
Update... After about 15 mins I managed to get the car started. No warnings or anything on the dash and it seemed to be running ok. RAC turned up about 40 mins after my initial call and he checked the alternator and battery, which both appeared to be ok. As the car was now running, he suggested I drive home with him following behind which I agreed to. Got home after about an hour with no more issues other than a real lack of trust in the car. I'll give Alpine Manchester a call in the morning and hope to get it booked in and looked at.
Hoofty said:
Bummer, sorry to hear that WWW. First time I take it? Better place than many to be stuck at the very very least.
I'd hoped this was circumstantially linked to high temps but seems no. How's your fuel level, out of interest?
Fingers crossed recovery is there soon.
Cheers,
Nick
Yes, first (and hopefully last) time.I'd hoped this was circumstantially linked to high temps but seems no. How's your fuel level, out of interest?
Fingers crossed recovery is there soon.
Cheers,
Nick
Fuel is about 1/4 to 1/3 full. I'd been driving about 2.5 hours (A and B roads and motorway, including lots of crawling in traffic) before I stopped
since I am rapidly approaching warranty end I wanted to check with you guys
there are or were two common failures: alternator and fuel pump. One was I believe subject of a recall which I do not think has been done on my PE
I had one total electrical blackout after stop start, zero life in the car. a second battery brought it to life and all was well. Not sure if that is either issue.
I think alternator failure creates a bunch of errors and you can limp for a short time, fuel pump obviously engine cranks no start.
how do I encourage the dealer to swap whatever, before warranty end ??
there are or were two common failures: alternator and fuel pump. One was I believe subject of a recall which I do not think has been done on my PE
I had one total electrical blackout after stop start, zero life in the car. a second battery brought it to life and all was well. Not sure if that is either issue.
I think alternator failure creates a bunch of errors and you can limp for a short time, fuel pump obviously engine cranks no start.
how do I encourage the dealer to swap whatever, before warranty end ??
worldwidewebs said:
Yes, first (and hopefully last) time.
Fuel is about 1/4 to 1/3 full. I'd been driving about 2.5 hours (A and B roads and motorway, including lots of crawling in traffic) before I stopped
Was it a case of it just turning over and not firing, or not wanting to turn at all? Fuel is about 1/4 to 1/3 full. I'd been driving about 2.5 hours (A and B roads and motorway, including lots of crawling in traffic) before I stopped
I ask because over the summer I was in France and did some fairly lengthy drives with temps well into the 40's, air con working hard, some through town traffic and with less than half fuel. The car was coping much better that we were being in that heat and we had no problems.
I was confused if you were suggesting it was a failure of the pump to work (electric perhaps?) or some sort of fuel starvation / evaporation given it started again after 15 minutes?
a110au said:
how do I encourage the dealer to swap whatever, before warranty end ??
Disconnect the alternator/fuel pump...this will create the fault codes, then reconnect (fuse for the fuel pump may be easier)...keep doing it until he changes both... then ask him to keep the parts so you can have a spare set...worldwidewebs said:
Update... After about 15 mins I managed to get the car started. No warnings or anything on the dash and it seemed to be running ok. RAC turned up about 40 mins after my initial call and he checked the alternator and battery, which both appeared to be ok. As the car was now running, he suggested I drive home with him following behind which I agreed to. Got home after about an hour with no more issues other than a real lack of trust in the car. I'll give Alpine Manchester a call in the morning and hope to get it booked in and looked at.
Sorry to say this is exactly what happened after the first time mine broke down. 2nd break down it needed more time to restart. 3rd completely dead. 100% take it to the dealer.Holgate86 said:
Oh no, not a MY22 car, I thought all this kind of stuff only affected older cars (MY18?) and had been pretty much eradicated.
I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
It's happened to MY21 cars. The driving experience is fantastic, but the issues persists. I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
xondat said:
worldwidewebs said:
Update... After about 15 mins I managed to get the car started. No warnings or anything on the dash and it seemed to be running ok. RAC turned up about 40 mins after my initial call and he checked the alternator and battery, which both appeared to be ok. As the car was now running, he suggested I drive home with him following behind which I agreed to. Got home after about an hour with no more issues other than a real lack of trust in the car. I'll give Alpine Manchester a call in the morning and hope to get it booked in and looked at.
Sorry to say this is exactly what happened after the first time mine broke down. 2nd break down it needed more time to restart. 3rd completely dead. 100% take it to the dealer.biggles330d said:
worldwidewebs said:
Yes, first (and hopefully last) time.
Fuel is about 1/4 to 1/3 full. I'd been driving about 2.5 hours (A and B roads and motorway, including lots of crawling in traffic) before I stopped
Was it a case of it just turning over and not firing, or not wanting to turn at all? Fuel is about 1/4 to 1/3 full. I'd been driving about 2.5 hours (A and B roads and motorway, including lots of crawling in traffic) before I stopped
I ask because over the summer I was in France and did some fairly lengthy drives with temps well into the 40's, air con working hard, some through town traffic and with less than half fuel. The car was coping much better that we were being in that heat and we had no problems.
I was confused if you were suggesting it was a failure of the pump to work (electric perhaps?) or some sort of fuel starvation / evaporation given it started again after 15 minutes?
xondat said:
Holgate86 said:
Oh no, not a MY22 car, I thought all this kind of stuff only affected older cars (MY18?) and had been pretty much eradicated.
I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
It's happened to MY21 cars. The driving experience is fantastic, but the issues persists. I’m having a test drive next week, hoping that the driving experience will banish my fears over reliability and the fact that my nearest dealership is over 120 miles away.
Thing is in forty odd years of motoring the only car to let me down was my Westfield and it had an early 70's built cross flow engine, and apart from cosmetic stuff the only issue I've had with recent new cars was the motor on a door mirror wasn't properly wired........
Plus my GR Yaris has a 10 year warranty, I guess the test drive (on the same roads) will give me an answer.
paddy1970 said:
Disconnect the alternator/fuel pump...this will create the fault codes, then reconnect (fuse for the fuel pump may be easier)...keep doing it until he changes both... then ask him to keep the parts so you can have a spare set...
Yeah, don’t do this, probably won’t end up with the outcome of just replacing the units.Not a good bit of advise
Just to add to this thread …
Have been using my car during the day and decided to give it a wash.
When I tried to move the car, battery seemed flat, engine tried to turnover but eventually nothing.
Called Martins Winchester and Alpine Assist - both could not have been more helpful (many thanks to all). I managed to restart the car (with difficulty) about 20 minutes later.
RAC arrived in about an hour and shout out to Paul who was fantastic, having never seen an Alpine before, Did full battery and electrical check, when car was fully idle and under full load. Battery and alternator both fine under check. No obvious problem, perhaps battery had got low by opening closing doors and keeping key in cabin during the car wash? As far as Paul is concerned no obvious problem.
Will drop in to Martins to check all codes (RAC can not access whole system through EOBD) and see if anything else amiss. Seems a real mystery?
Have been using my car during the day and decided to give it a wash.
When I tried to move the car, battery seemed flat, engine tried to turnover but eventually nothing.
Called Martins Winchester and Alpine Assist - both could not have been more helpful (many thanks to all). I managed to restart the car (with difficulty) about 20 minutes later.
RAC arrived in about an hour and shout out to Paul who was fantastic, having never seen an Alpine before, Did full battery and electrical check, when car was fully idle and under full load. Battery and alternator both fine under check. No obvious problem, perhaps battery had got low by opening closing doors and keeping key in cabin during the car wash? As far as Paul is concerned no obvious problem.
Will drop in to Martins to check all codes (RAC can not access whole system through EOBD) and see if anything else amiss. Seems a real mystery?
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