Wing Corrosion MY and Mileage?
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Good idea on the flaps, although realistically it can happen anywhere there is an exposed edge - wings, front of the roof, doors, rear quarters, air intakes.
My car has only covered a few thousand miles and recently seeing a report of a MY22 at 12k over 24 months and already showing corrosion it's quite frustrating.
I also saw this picture below on facebook today, showing how useful PPF is for this particular issue, unless of course the PPF was installed after the damage was done.
My car has only covered a few thousand miles and recently seeing a report of a MY22 at 12k over 24 months and already showing corrosion it's quite frustrating.
I also saw this picture below on facebook today, showing how useful PPF is for this particular issue, unless of course the PPF was installed after the damage was done.
Edited by 7en on Monday 10th June 21:24
7en said:
I also saw this picture below on facebook today, showing how useful PPF is for this particular issue, unless of course the PPF was installed after the damage was done.
That's my car (April 2022, 10k miles, garaged, SORNed over winters) and shows the offside rear arch where it meets the bumper. The PPF was done from new but has no bearing on whether the corrosion occurs or not. Basically, all cars will get it (repeatedly), it's just a matter of time7en said:
Good idea on the flaps, although realistically it can happen anywhere there is an exposed edge - wings, front of the roof, doors, rear quarters, air intakes.
My car has only covered a few thousand miles and recently seeing a report of a MY22 at 12k over 24 months and already showing corrosion it's quite frustrating.
I also saw this picture below on facebook today, showing how useful PPF is for this particular issue, unless of course the PPF was installed after the damage was done.
Have you seen examples of it anywhere other than the arches yourself? My car has only covered a few thousand miles and recently seeing a report of a MY22 at 12k over 24 months and already showing corrosion it's quite frustrating.
I also saw this picture below on facebook today, showing how useful PPF is for this particular issue, unless of course the PPF was installed after the damage was done.
Edited by 7en on Monday 10th June 21:24
Julian Thompson said:
Have you seen examples of it anywhere other than the arches yourself?
I've seen bubbling paint on the leading edge of a roof, a picture on Facebook I think it was. Strange as the roof is plastic not aluminium.I recall someone mentioning the paint lifted around stone chips on their bumper so perhaps something similar.
On a related note, I'd highly recommend anyone with a carbon roof to get PPF as have seen a roof with stone chip damaged laquer at work recently and it's not pretty.
WOW... I am stunned by this revelation.
There are a lot of cars produced these days in Aluminium and to my knowledge I am not aware of other manufactures cars not even 2 years old, that are suffering from corrosion. Even the early Defenders survived longer than this!
I an about literally to press the button on a purchase of a one year old 110... but tbh this thread has seriously spooked me. I was intending my car to be as a 'retirement keeper', having previously owned about 7 Lotus over the last 20 years I really liked the product and market segment that the Alpine 110 seemed to have got right. If we are seeing corrosion in cars so early into their life, imagine how this will progress over a decade. 12 year corrosion warrantee aside, replacing panels etc is not going to cure a widespread underlying issue, if indeed there is one...
Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
There are a lot of cars produced these days in Aluminium and to my knowledge I am not aware of other manufactures cars not even 2 years old, that are suffering from corrosion. Even the early Defenders survived longer than this!
I an about literally to press the button on a purchase of a one year old 110... but tbh this thread has seriously spooked me. I was intending my car to be as a 'retirement keeper', having previously owned about 7 Lotus over the last 20 years I really liked the product and market segment that the Alpine 110 seemed to have got right. If we are seeing corrosion in cars so early into their life, imagine how this will progress over a decade. 12 year corrosion warrantee aside, replacing panels etc is not going to cure a widespread underlying issue, if indeed there is one...
Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
It is frustrating, but not that uncommon. Aston's are notorious for bubbling under the paint and our 2019 Mercedes I noticed last night has some quite advanced bubbling under some of the aluminium trim parts - a car thats generally pampered, not used daily and kept under a car porch so out of the worst of the weather and only just done 30k miles.
By contrast, fingers crossed, my 2021 A110 is showing no signs of bubbling.
By contrast, fingers crossed, my 2021 A110 is showing no signs of bubbling.
pete757 said:
WOW... I am stunned by this revelation.
Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
While it is quite widespread - in the sense it affects quite a lot of cars - it is in a very small area of the rear (and less often front) wheel arch. It's covered by Alpines paint warranty so even the oldest A110s are covered. There is a mod which should fix it for new cars. So I doubt it will affect resale significantly - A110s residuals are very high, generally the highest in their class.Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
My 15k mile, 3-year old car is booked for corrosion repair/repaint next week.
All four wheelarches. Some bubbling at the wing mounting area but biggest issue is at the underside apex of each wheel arch. Not visible unless you're looking up from ground level.
Even if you don't have the bumper-wheelarch issue, it's worth running your hand around the inside lip of each wheelarch for hidden issues.
All four wheelarches. Some bubbling at the wing mounting area but biggest issue is at the underside apex of each wheel arch. Not visible unless you're looking up from ground level.
Even if you don't have the bumper-wheelarch issue, it's worth running your hand around the inside lip of each wheelarch for hidden issues.
pete757 said:
WOW... I am stunned by this revelation.
There are a lot of cars produced these days in Aluminium and to my knowledge I am not aware of other manufactures cars not even 2 years old, that are suffering from corrosion. Even the early Defenders survived longer than this!
I an about literally to press the button on a purchase of a one year old 110... but tbh this thread has seriously spooked me. I was intending my car to be as a 'retirement keeper', having previously owned about 7 Lotus over the last 20 years I really liked the product and market segment that the Alpine 110 seemed to have got right. If we are seeing corrosion in cars so early into their life, imagine how this will progress over a decade. 12 year corrosion warrantee aside, replacing panels etc is not going to cure a widespread underlying issue, if indeed there is one...
Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
Know how you feel sold my 2019 Legende A110 when the corrosion issue became apparent, it was just over two year old and showing no sign of corrosion but inevitable, loved the car but unacceptable it would of probably needed bodywork repairs at such a young age, and not knowing whether the corrosion would return in the future, seems widespread now even upto 22 models and probably beyond not showing yet.There are a lot of cars produced these days in Aluminium and to my knowledge I am not aware of other manufactures cars not even 2 years old, that are suffering from corrosion. Even the early Defenders survived longer than this!
I an about literally to press the button on a purchase of a one year old 110... but tbh this thread has seriously spooked me. I was intending my car to be as a 'retirement keeper', having previously owned about 7 Lotus over the last 20 years I really liked the product and market segment that the Alpine 110 seemed to have got right. If we are seeing corrosion in cars so early into their life, imagine how this will progress over a decade. 12 year corrosion warrantee aside, replacing panels etc is not going to cure a widespread underlying issue, if indeed there is one...
Do we have an indication if this is widespread, or is it just limited to a small number of cars? If it is indeed the former, I can only imagine how this will affect the resale value of cars in the future...
Can,t believe Alpine did nothing to remedy this in the manufacturing process years ago.
Edited by Iceblue on Tuesday 18th June 12:01
maybe wrong as I do not have the numbers but all the 60
or whatever australian editions made at the same time do not seem to have had any corrosion issues (none
mentioned in owners group) despite all being what 5 years aged now one difference is UK rain and winter salt is that a factor? also in the suspension spring corrosion.
or whatever australian editions made at the same time do not seem to have had any corrosion issues (none
mentioned in owners group) despite all being what 5 years aged now one difference is UK rain and winter salt is that a factor? also in the suspension spring corrosion.
It is a shame but personally the car is all about the driving sensations, I never considered not buying or selling due to paint bubbling in impact areas.
I do wonder if a clear vinyl wrap may help, it's not as thick as PPF but will provide some protecion and I believe some wraps are flexible enough to go around 90 degree corners.
I do wonder if a clear vinyl wrap may help, it's not as thick as PPF but will provide some protecion and I believe some wraps are flexible enough to go around 90 degree corners.
7en said:
It is a shame but personally the car is all about the driving sensations, I never considered not buying or selling due to paint bubbling in impact areas.
I do wonder if a clear vinyl wrap may help, it's not as thick as PPF but will provide some protecion and I believe some wraps are flexible enough to go around 90 degree corners.
I'm no expert, but since the problem is steel bracket to aluminium panel interaction I can't see ppf on top will help. The use of a plastic bracket ought to be a complete fix unless there are other issues in play. I do wonder if a clear vinyl wrap may help, it's not as thick as PPF but will provide some protecion and I believe some wraps are flexible enough to go around 90 degree corners.
The steel fixing could be an issue so is worth changing, but some cars have the issue in the middle of the arch where there's no fixings and is most likely due to stone/impact damage, see Liam's post above.
Anywhere there's an edge which could be stone chipped is a potential area, unfortunately these edges are exacly where PPF won't fit, but one could still make a thin strip to go around the lip of the arches and wedge in where the wings meet the bumpers, then only the curved edges would be exposed.
Anywhere there's an edge which could be stone chipped is a potential area, unfortunately these edges are exacly where PPF won't fit, but one could still make a thin strip to go around the lip of the arches and wedge in where the wings meet the bumpers, then only the curved edges would be exposed.
Ok, to share more on my bodywork oxidation saga.
My car has the ‘usual’ issues, rear corners of the rear wheel arches front corners of the front wheel arches.
The car went to an Alpine dealer for assessment.
They took pictures, wrote a report, submitted it to Alpine UK, Alpine UK approved the repairs under Alpine warranty and I took the car in several weeks after assessment for the work.
The dealer promised an A110 courtesy car and gave me a Captur - it got me home and kept me warm and dry, so that’s fine, just not what they’d promised.
The dealer took my car to a local Renault / Dacia approved bodyshop.
A week later I visited the dealer to take in some parts for fitting for general service work and viewed my car.
The dealer’s chosen bodyshop had done a very poor job.
I took pictures and emailed the dealer asking for rectification.
I emailed Alpine UK asking for their help to get rectification done.
The dealer said that there could not be immediate rectification due to bodyshop workload.
A week later I collected the car as arranged (the dealer insisted on needing their loan car back).
Ten days later, yesterday, my car was collected and the same bodyshop (!) will attempt to rectify and meet expectations.
This time I have an A110 courtesy car.
I must call out that everyone at the dealer and Wasim and Nicola at Alpine UK have been excellent - responsive, supportive, helpful.
So, for lessons learned, I would recommend:
- Find out who is doing the actual work and do your homework and insist it goes to a bodyshop that is proficient in such work, especially with iridescent paints.
- Insist that the dealer QA’s the work and makes sure it has been done right before you collect your car.
- Praise the good service and work, but equally don’t accept a poor repair.
- Involve Alpine UK early on so it’s on their radar.
I’m happy to chat 1-1 via messages for more details.
James.
My car has the ‘usual’ issues, rear corners of the rear wheel arches front corners of the front wheel arches.
The car went to an Alpine dealer for assessment.
They took pictures, wrote a report, submitted it to Alpine UK, Alpine UK approved the repairs under Alpine warranty and I took the car in several weeks after assessment for the work.
The dealer promised an A110 courtesy car and gave me a Captur - it got me home and kept me warm and dry, so that’s fine, just not what they’d promised.
The dealer took my car to a local Renault / Dacia approved bodyshop.
A week later I visited the dealer to take in some parts for fitting for general service work and viewed my car.
The dealer’s chosen bodyshop had done a very poor job.
I took pictures and emailed the dealer asking for rectification.
I emailed Alpine UK asking for their help to get rectification done.
The dealer said that there could not be immediate rectification due to bodyshop workload.
A week later I collected the car as arranged (the dealer insisted on needing their loan car back).
Ten days later, yesterday, my car was collected and the same bodyshop (!) will attempt to rectify and meet expectations.
This time I have an A110 courtesy car.
I must call out that everyone at the dealer and Wasim and Nicola at Alpine UK have been excellent - responsive, supportive, helpful.
So, for lessons learned, I would recommend:
- Find out who is doing the actual work and do your homework and insist it goes to a bodyshop that is proficient in such work, especially with iridescent paints.
- Insist that the dealer QA’s the work and makes sure it has been done right before you collect your car.
- Praise the good service and work, but equally don’t accept a poor repair.
- Involve Alpine UK early on so it’s on their radar.
I’m happy to chat 1-1 via messages for more details.
James.
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