2021 Model 3 Long range real world range?
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audi321 said:
Hi all, there's plenty of reviews on the web saying how many miles they can get on a long trip, but for average daily use (say around 15 miles per day) how many miles does a 2021 long range model 3 get?
Let say worst case winter (< 5 degrees)?
Anyone got one?
There’s really no simple answer because of the variables but I’ll try and break it downLet say worst case winter (< 5 degrees)?
Anyone got one?
15 miles a day, assume that’s 2 trips of 7-8 miles each. Thats worst case driving for an EV because you get into a cold cabin and lots of energy goes into basic heating and just as the cars got warm, your journey ends. A 2021 car has a heat pump so it helps, but not by a lot.
Under such circumstances the cars likely to be doing 330-350 wh/m v the “warmed up” average of 240, although even these will vary depending on whether the 8 mile trip is a 20mph slog across a congested city, a 50mph trip down a country road or a short sharp 70mph blast down a dual carriageway or motorway. The middle one being the best, the others taking their toll.
At 3 miles per kWh, charged to the recommended 80% max, and with around 77kwh battery you’ll get 3 x 0.8 x 77 = 185 miles.
Edited by Gone fishing on Thursday 14th March 17:48
Fastlane said:
I have got a consistent 4miles/kWh over 17k miles. That equates to c.300 miles per charge.
Would that still be the case when doing lots of short journeys in winter like the OP asked? And presumably that’s also not sticking to the recommended 80% charge limit unless doing a long trip, which isn’t the OPs scenario?
Gone fishing said:
Would that still be the case when doing lots of short journeys in winter like the OP asked?
And presumably that’s also not sticking to the recommended 80% charge limit unless doing a long trip, which isn’t the OPs scenario?
I only charge to more than 80% on long trips. Most of my journeys are similar to the OP, and I drive all year round. I don't think I've ever seen it drop below 3 miles/kWh which would give it a c.225 mile range, or c.180 at 80%.And presumably that’s also not sticking to the recommended 80% charge limit unless doing a long trip, which isn’t the OPs scenario?
If you can charge at home, why is the 15 miles a day consumption relevant?
You’d just charge it up every couple of nights and always have loads of battery
You’d just be topping up to 80%, letting it run down to about 50% and then topping up again
Overall range thing only something to worry about if you need to do a long journey, in which case you’d plan ahead and make sure the car is fully charged
You’d just charge it up every couple of nights and always have loads of battery
You’d just be topping up to 80%, letting it run down to about 50% and then topping up again
Overall range thing only something to worry about if you need to do a long journey, in which case you’d plan ahead and make sure the car is fully charged
therams said:
If you can charge at home, why is the 15 miles a day consumption relevant?
You’d just charge it up every couple of nights and always have loads of battery
You’d just be topping up to 80%, letting it run down to about 50% and then topping up again
Overall range thing only something to worry about if you need to do a long journey, in which case you’d plan ahead and make sure the car is fully charged
Not everybody can charge at home though, I believe over 30% of people don’t have a driveway.You’d just charge it up every couple of nights and always have loads of battery
You’d just be topping up to 80%, letting it run down to about 50% and then topping up again
Overall range thing only something to worry about if you need to do a long journey, in which case you’d plan ahead and make sure the car is fully charged
But if you can charge at home then I’d agree, it’s largely a non issue.
Gone fishing said:
There’s really no simple answer because of the variables but I’ll try and break it down
15 miles a day, assume that’s 2 trips of 7-8 miles each. Thats worst case driving for an EV because you get into a cold cabin and lots of energy goes into basic heating and just as the cars got warm, your journey ends. A 2021 car has a heat pump so it helps, but not by a lot.
Under such circumstances the cars likely to be doing 330-350 wh/m v the “warmed up” average of 240, although even these will vary depending on whether the 8 mile trip is a 20mph slog across a congested city, a 50mph trip down a country road or a short sharp 70mph blast down a dual carriageway or motorway. The middle one being the best, the others taking their toll.
At 3 miles per kWh, charged to the recommended 80% max, and with around 77kwh battery you’ll get 3 x 0.8 x 77 = 185 miles.
Good, detailed answer and one that more or less matches my experience, so long as you don't use sentry mode. Turn that on and you'll loseas much in vampire drain every day as you do driving the thing.. I charge probably twice a week and I do that at home, I'm very relaxed knowing that even with a 50% charged battery I can cover my needs in a hurry.15 miles a day, assume that’s 2 trips of 7-8 miles each. Thats worst case driving for an EV because you get into a cold cabin and lots of energy goes into basic heating and just as the cars got warm, your journey ends. A 2021 car has a heat pump so it helps, but not by a lot.
Under such circumstances the cars likely to be doing 330-350 wh/m v the “warmed up” average of 240, although even these will vary depending on whether the 8 mile trip is a 20mph slog across a congested city, a 50mph trip down a country road or a short sharp 70mph blast down a dual carriageway or motorway. The middle one being the best, the others taking their toll.
At 3 miles per kWh, charged to the recommended 80% max, and with around 77kwh battery you’ll get 3 x 0.8 x 77 = 185 miles.
Edited by Gone fishing on Thursday 14th March 17:48
If you can charge at home then its less of an issue, b
I got my 2021 Model 3 Long Range AWD in January this year.
I do a lot of short journeys - my commute is less than 2 miles across town and I ferry the kids around a fair bit too.
On short trips when it's cold I'll average about 300-310 Wh/mile which is about 3.2-3.3 miles/kWh.
Say 60 kWh usable from an 80% charge, that's around 180 miles. You will use a bit of power heating the car and battery when it's very cold (sub zero for long periods)and you get a bit of "vampire drain" over time, but no more than 1% per day (as long as you don't leave Sentry on).
I'll often only charge my once a week unless I've gone on any longer trips.
I do a lot of short journeys - my commute is less than 2 miles across town and I ferry the kids around a fair bit too.
On short trips when it's cold I'll average about 300-310 Wh/mile which is about 3.2-3.3 miles/kWh.
Say 60 kWh usable from an 80% charge, that's around 180 miles. You will use a bit of power heating the car and battery when it's very cold (sub zero for long periods)and you get a bit of "vampire drain" over time, but no more than 1% per day (as long as you don't leave Sentry on).
I'll often only charge my once a week unless I've gone on any longer trips.
Skip to the end, he shows the data.
Long range did 227 miles in freezing conditions and does about 290 in normal weather. That is with the 19" wheels so 18" would be slightly better.
Very similar range for the performance, only 10 miles less than LR.
https://youtu.be/xEuLK9GrnyA
Long range did 227 miles in freezing conditions and does about 290 in normal weather. That is with the 19" wheels so 18" would be slightly better.
Very similar range for the performance, only 10 miles less than LR.
https://youtu.be/xEuLK9GrnyA
V8_EV said:
Skip to the end, he shows the data.
Long range did 227 miles in freezing conditions and does about 290 in normal weather. That is with the 19" wheels so 18" would be slightly better.
Very similar range for the performance, only 10 miles less than LR.
It’s not representative for lots of short trips which was the question. Long range did 227 miles in freezing conditions and does about 290 in normal weather. That is with the 19" wheels so 18" would be slightly better.
Very similar range for the performance, only 10 miles less than LR.
I've always found this to be broadly accurate.
I have a 2021 LR Model 3. First MY that had the black chrome finisher. I can get from Oxford to Brighton and back on one full battery in the winter, more easily in the summer. I don't hypermile or anything. Local travel around, easily a week between charges but it depends on the mileage, driving etc. When I drove it into London (I live in the country) I was amazed how little the percentage went down as stop/start traffic helps a lot.
Motorway in Winter - 200 miles roughly
Town in summer - I think it will hit 300.
I have a 2021 LR Model 3. First MY that had the black chrome finisher. I can get from Oxford to Brighton and back on one full battery in the winter, more easily in the summer. I don't hypermile or anything. Local travel around, easily a week between charges but it depends on the mileage, driving etc. When I drove it into London (I live in the country) I was amazed how little the percentage went down as stop/start traffic helps a lot.
Motorway in Winter - 200 miles roughly
Town in summer - I think it will hit 300.
Oh yeah I forgot - if you have a plug for it at home and you leave at the same time each day then you can always use the app to schedule the departure date so it doesn't use battery capacity to heat the car (at least I assume it doesn't - I assume it uses the mains plug to kick start it all)\
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