New Model S UK Deliveries
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Europe is thought to be getting them at the end of the year, first rule of Tesla is don't believe anything until it happens
Assuming it does, the UK are typically 6 to 18 months behind, my hunch is 9 months with the Model S.
The EU order book doesn;t appear to be overflowing for the MS as the configurator is showing new orders in europe will be delivered by the end of Q1 next year, given that implies the existing orders will also be delivered, that would be either a small backlog or a hell of a run rate. Or the configurator is talking rubbish (see the first rule of Tesla above)
If they do get on top of the EU back log quickly then we'll follow fairly quickly thereafter but I still think 6 months is a bit quick.
The US/Canada/Mexico market whree the MS is currently for sale almost continuously has new inventory available and new MX inventory have also started to appear (same production line). So there is capacity.
I'd have a read of the US reviews though, the new car has it's problems and fundementally much of it like the chassis is now coming up to 10 years old. The battery cells date back to 2015 albeit repackaged into a different form factor with better cooling, the suspension is from 2019. The autopilot hardware is also still fundementally based on technology in 2016 with a processor upgrade in 2018. That's not to say any of this is particularily bad, but it's not the same as when BMW launch a new 7 series with much of the car being re-engineered, it's more like a mid lifecycle update on an already old design.
Assuming it does, the UK are typically 6 to 18 months behind, my hunch is 9 months with the Model S.
The EU order book doesn;t appear to be overflowing for the MS as the configurator is showing new orders in europe will be delivered by the end of Q1 next year, given that implies the existing orders will also be delivered, that would be either a small backlog or a hell of a run rate. Or the configurator is talking rubbish (see the first rule of Tesla above)
If they do get on top of the EU back log quickly then we'll follow fairly quickly thereafter but I still think 6 months is a bit quick.
The US/Canada/Mexico market whree the MS is currently for sale almost continuously has new inventory available and new MX inventory have also started to appear (same production line). So there is capacity.
I'd have a read of the US reviews though, the new car has it's problems and fundementally much of it like the chassis is now coming up to 10 years old. The battery cells date back to 2015 albeit repackaged into a different form factor with better cooling, the suspension is from 2019. The autopilot hardware is also still fundementally based on technology in 2016 with a processor upgrade in 2018. That's not to say any of this is particularily bad, but it's not the same as when BMW launch a new 7 series with much of the car being re-engineered, it's more like a mid lifecycle update on an already old design.
Heres Johnny said:
it's more like a mid lifecycle update on an already old design.
I see the base Model 3 is now not far off £50k, so who knows how much a S/X will be new in 2023. Given we know Tesla made a margin of 30%+ on these cars back when battery prices were much higher and base prices were essentially the same as the 3/Y now, if there is a market for a £70-80k base S/X, Elon is laughing every time someone orders one.
There is price inflation and there is just chasing after ££££, MG will sell you a brand new car with a 64kWh battery for £28k, so I would say Tesla lately is getting very very good at the later.
simonrockman said:
There was a time when a new car used to come as a four door, five door hatch, estate, two door coupe, convertible and maybe even a pick-up. Manufacturers seem to have stopped doing that.
They still kind of do. The BMW 4 series coupe, 4 convertible, 4 gand coupe, 3 series saloon, and 3 series estate are all pretty much the same car just at different phases of their respective lifecycles. What they are increasingly doing is more platform based variations, the EV skateboard in the VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat family is used many times over with various incarnations.Where Tesla missed a trick in my opinion is not making a van based on the MS/MX chassis. They focused on the semi/truck thing and that's still "coming soon" in true Tesla fashion. It's the final mile that does the most damage. Ford have just launched their EV transit van, it's going to sell well I recon, to any company looking to be environmentally friendly.
Heres Johnny said:
They still kind of do. The BMW 4 series coupe, 4 convertible, 4 gand coupe, 3 series saloon, and 3 series estate are all pretty much the same car just at different phases of their respective lifecycles. What they are increasingly doing is more platform based variations, the EV skateboard in the VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat family is used many times over with various incarnations.
Where Tesla missed a trick in my opinion is not making a van based on the MS/MX chassis. They focused on the semi/truck thing and that's still "coming soon" in true Tesla fashion. It's the final mile that does the most damage. Ford have just launched their EV transit van, it's going to sell well I recon, to any company looking to be environmentally friendly.
Tesla convert the Model X into a van (albeit with rear doors still in use) for some of their mobile technicians. The rear doors actually make access to the load area a doddle. Where Tesla missed a trick in my opinion is not making a van based on the MS/MX chassis. They focused on the semi/truck thing and that's still "coming soon" in true Tesla fashion. It's the final mile that does the most damage. Ford have just launched their EV transit van, it's going to sell well I recon, to any company looking to be environmentally friendly.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
Tesla convert the Model X into a van (albeit with rear doors still in use) for some of their mobile technicians. The rear doors actually make access to the load area a doddle.
They do it with the MS as well but it’s not a commercial venture where they strip out seats, put in an economical motor, tune it for carrying heavier loads. etc. They just do a light make over of one of their used cars in stockBMW used to do similar with 5 series estates years ago. I’m talking proper van
gangzoom said:
There is price inflation and there is just chasing after ££££, MG will sell you a brand new car with a 64kWh battery for £28k, so I would say Tesla lately is getting very very good at the later.
We have a Model Y. Neighbours over the road have bought the MG. The ownership, charging, performance, range - and infrastructure make the cars only similar in the nature they have 4 wheels and a batteryHeres Johnny said:
Where Tesla missed a trick in my opinion is not making a van based on the MS/MX chassis. They focused on the semi/truck thing and that's still "coming soon" in true Tesla fashion. It's the final mile that does the most damage. Ford have just launched their EV transit van, it's going to sell well I recon, to any company looking to be environmentally friendly.
Because America.They dont do Van's to nearly the same volume as the Ute.
RobbyJ said:
Anyone had a delivery update on new UK S/X. I don't have one on order, just curious what if anything you're being told?
An Uncle of mine had a MG EV (can't recall which one) on order since the begining if the year. It's never materialised and he's just had repeated delays, very little communication and no sign that will delivery ever happening.So he cancelled the order beginning of December and ordered a model X, which he is collecting today.
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