Early model 3s

[audi321]

Hi all. There seems to be a lot of early M3s coming to the market (presumably Model Y purchases?).

They’re quite reasonable now. Ie £35k for a low’ish mileage 2019, so I’m probably in the market for one and have a few questions for the PH crew please.

Firstly, did they all come with autopilot or was it an option?

Secondly, was the warranty 3 or 4 years & 50k?

Lastly, how much does the supercharging cost per kWh?

Thanks all.

[delta0]

Holding their value well. Was that a standard, LR or P?

[audi321]

Standard range plus (whatever the plus means?)

[delta0]

Single motor but increased performance from the standard. I’m not sure of the other differences as I’m less familiar with the models around that time.

[steveatesh]

SC costs depend upon which SC you use, but reckon about 35p per KW, the costs show for each SC on the map in the car - just click the little icon and it tells you how many are available and cost per unit.

It’s always best thought o charge at home, I only use an SC in my journey to Brighton a couple times a year, significantly cheaper than petrol costs.

[CheesecakeRunner]

audi321 said:

Firstly, did they all come with autopilot or was it an option?

They all come with autopilot, which is adaptive cruise and lane keeping. Paid options were “Enhanced autopilot” which adds lane changing and self parking, and “Full Self Drive” which add unicorns and rainbows.

audi321 said:

Secondly, was the warranty 3 or 4 years & 50k?

4 years OR 50k miles. The “OR” has caught out some high mileage drivers.

Battery has a different warranty though, standard range car gets 8 years OR 100,000 miles. Long range and Performance get 8 years OR 120,000 miles. Battery warranty includes that it won’t fall below 70% capacity in that time.

[Heres Johnny]

The 2019 cars will be coming up to 3 years and depending on the finance deal many are in the window to conclude early. Numbers available have increased 5x in the last 6 weeks.

The 2019 cars have smaller batteries than the equivalent model today, and are US built which weren’t the best put together and where much of the panel gap jokes originated from. Some say a 2019 car and a new one are very different in terms of build quality, noise, efficiency (new ones have a heat pump), heated steering wheel etc, but you could probably argue that about any 3 year old car v a new one.

Standard range+ is the entry level car. Tesla promised a 35k standard range car in the US and for a while you could go to Tesla in the US and do an off system order to get one which Tesla would begrudgingly sell you, but in Europe we didn’t get that option. We just got the “+” version with a few extras for a fair bit more cost

Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 16th February 09:32

[audi321]

Thanks for your replies guys. I might take the plunge for one in the next few weeks. The big wheeled ones don’t seem to be very popular, was that because they were very expensive at the time?

What other options were offered back then?

[annodomini2]

Colour and wheels, same as today.

Towbar

[lizardbrain]

Any 2019 owners been tracking trends of WBAC valuations recently?

Prices still look quite firm on 2019s on auto trader. Considering how much improved the later models are.... and built in higher volumes, this is a bit surprising

[Heres Johnny]

There are specialist websites that track Tesla used prices (including all those listed on auto trader) - I own one but PH don’t like me mentioning it by name. You can see not just prices but changes in volume of cars for sale which is important plus how long cars have been advertised for . Supply and demand suggest prices will soon go down as supply has gone up 5 fold in the last 6 weeks.

[martt]

Heres Johnny said:

There are specialist websites that track Tesla used prices (including all those listed on auto trader) - I own one but PH don’t like me mentioning it by name. You can see not just prices but changes in volume of cars for sale which is important plus how long cars have been advertised for . Supply and demand suggest prices will soon go down as supply has gone up 5 fold in the last 6 weeks.

That's a fair point but i'd imagine nearly new prices will increase due availability of new build M3s being pushed back towards Q4

[lizardbrain]

Heres Johnny said:

There are specialist websites that track Tesla used prices (including all those listed on auto trader) - I own one but PH don’t like me mentioning it by name. You can see not just prices but changes in volume of cars for sale which is important plus how long cars have been advertised for . Supply and demand suggest prices will soon go down as supply has gone up 5 fold in the last 6 weeks.

Meaning prices haven’t yet stepped down, but you predict they soon will?

Out of interest, how do you monitor demand?

I think wbac is probably the better indicator of prices vs auto trader asking prices. Do you track this too?

[Heres Johnny]

lizardbrain said:

Meaning prices haven’t yet stepped down, but you predict they soon will?

Out of interest, how do you monitor demand?

I think wbac is probably the better indicator of prices vs auto trader asking prices. Do you track this too?

I pull in all advertised prices from multiple sources including AT, PH, eBay, Cazoo and Tesla themselves. It’s easy then to track prices changes, numbers, time before cars sell etc. which indicates demand. The roadster is a case in point, price is bonkers but the one advert out there has been live for nearly 2 years! Demand is very low at the asking price.

WBAC have other complexities, if a lease company dumps a load of cars on them then they won’t want to buy from the man on the street and put more cars through the auctions (WBAC are BCA). If they’re offering strong money, take it at the moment.

I find it hard to believe the prices will stay so high though, with new cars having longer range, more features etc you’d be daft to buy a car that’s got limited warranty left on it to save a couple of grand on a 50k car