Model 3 security

[hab1966]

Get my M3LR delivered tomorrow and am in the process of finalising insurance.

Can anybody advise whether the M3 comes with -

Alarm (i believe yes)
Immobiliser (I believe yes)
Tracker (this is the one i'm not sure of especially for insurance purposes)

Are any of the above thatcham approved (i'm thinking no)

[witten]

Yes it does, although I did end up getting refused insurance by More Than for some reason but Direct Line was the best option for me.

[annodomini2]

No it's not Thatcham approved, ongoing argument between Tesla and Thatcham. (Loads of threads)

Setup Pin to drive when you get it.

If you plan to use your phone, remember to turn off bluetooth when not planning to use the car.

[Heres Johnny]

A thatcham tracker (which is what is usually asked for) is more than a gps locator, it requires integration with a call centre who liaise with the police . Technically it’s also different in that it needs to update irrespective of the vehicle state, the Tesla one only updates when the wheels are turning (so no good on a flat bed truck).

That said some insurance companies accept the Tesla one, some don’t.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Tuesday 30th November 07:29

[hab1966]

Thanks for the responses.

I just went with factory fitted alarm and immoboliser which arent thatcham approved and no tracker and arranged insurance.

Im more concerned now about the bluetooth entry to the car. If im at home in the study and streaming music from my phone to speakers using bluetooth then it appears the car will unlock if it sees the phones bluetooth signal, which it may well do given the proximity of the study to the drive and the range of bluetooth. Is there no way to prevent this as i had hoped to use the Bluetooth feature but thought that a (phone) screen press to unlock/lock the car as opposed to proximity would be used.

[Heres Johnny]

It’s the unintended consequences like you suggest, a good idea becomes a potential liability. There’s not a lot you can do other than find a location in your house where the car is out of range, it might not be as bad as yi7 think.

I have the key fob which is attached to the house keys and stops me leaving without them (it’s been known) and functionally it’s just the same as an alternative.

[CheesecakeRunner]

hab1966 said:

Im more concerned now about the bluetooth entry to the car. If im at home in the study and streaming music from my phone to speakers using bluetooth then it appears the car will unlock if it sees the phones bluetooth signal, which it may well do given the proximity of the study to the drive and the range of bluetooth.

It won’t. You need to be really close for it to unlock. My desk at home is 4m from my car, yet it won’t unlock unless I actually go outside and stand next to the car. Tested range seems to be about 1.5M with an iPhone 12 mini.

Turn on pin to drive and even if it does unlock, nobody is driving away in it.

[TheRainMaker]

CheesecakeRunner said:

It won’t. You need to be really close for it to unlock. My desk at home is 4m from my car, yet it won’t unlock unless I actually go outside and stand next to the car. Tested range seems to be about 1.5M with an iPhone 12 mini.

Turn on pin to drive and even if it does unlock, nobody is driving away in it.

This is not good advice, just because you can’t unlock your car from 1.5 m away does not mean a tea leaf won’t be able to.

Relay theft works by using a scanner which is more sensitive than your car, picking up the signal and transmitting it to a receiver next to your car, this could be 100 meters or more away.

If it was me, bin the whole phone thing, get a key fob or remote and put them in a faraday cage key box.

Pin to drive will stop the car getting stolen, it won’t stop anyone unlocking you car and taking the contents.

[CheesecakeRunner]

TheRainMaker said:

CheesecakeRunner said:

It won’t. You need to be really close for it to unlock. My desk at home is 4m from my car, yet it won’t unlock unless I actually go outside and stand next to the car. Tested range seems to be about 1.5M with an iPhone 12 mini.

Turn on pin to drive and even if it does unlock, nobody is driving away in it.

This is not good advice, just because you can’t unlock your car from 1.5 m away does not mean a tea leaf won’t be able to.

Relay theft works by using a scanner which is more sensitive than your car, picking up the signal and transmitting it to a receiver next to your car, this could be 100 meters or more away..

Show me where relay theft has been proven to work on a Bluetooth connection in the wild, without the attacker having access to the device first.

Your criticism is valid for the previous Model S and X that used RF transmitters, but not the Model 3 which is wholly Bluetooth.

[LordFlathead]

A point to note is that Tesla can turn off the car if stolen as long as its parked up. That and the dashcam footage makes for a good deterrent.

[Heres Johnny]

LordFlathead said:

A point to note is that Tesla can turn off the car if stolen as long as its parked up. That and the dashcam footage makes for a good deterrent.

The remote immobilisation has been on some cars, especially those over 50k, for years

Tesla (and any system) can also only do that if they can connect to the car. The signal can be jammed for a few quid.

[NDA]

CheesecakeRunner said:

It won’t. You need to be really close for it to unlock. My desk at home is 4m from my car, yet it won’t unlock unless I actually go outside and stand next to the car. Tested range seems to be about 1.5M with an iPhone 12 mini.

Turn on pin to drive and even if it does unlock, nobody is driving away in it.

This.

Although you can unlock the car from anywhere, the bluetooth unlocking requires you to be almost touching the door handles.

Tesla vehicles are almost 90% less likely to be stolen than the average car, according to a report from the Highway Loss Data Institute in the US.

Direct Line seem to offer the best Tesla rates - at least for me they did. It has a tracker (you can see where your car is on the app), video surveillance , immobiliser etc.

[annodomini2]

NDA said:

Direct Line seem to offer the best Tesla rates - at least for me they did. It has a tracker (you can see where your car is on the app), video surveillance , immobiliser etc.

Insurance rates between providers seems to be fluctuating for Tesla's, for me back in June, LV was the cheapest (DL was 30% more).

The cheapest appears to be Peugeot atm (same underwriter as DL), but lots of arguments on whether they will actually cover the car.

My advice do your research.

[NDA]

annodomini2 said:

Insurance rates between providers seems to be fluctuating for Tesla's, for me back in June, LV was the cheapest (DL was 30% more).

The cheapest appears to be Peugeot atm (same underwriter as DL), but lots of arguments on whether they will actually cover the car.

My advice do your research.

Interesting.

I've just renewed with DL - but didn't shop around. When I took the policy out 12 months ago they were between 50 and 100% cheaper than the other usual suspects.

[LordFlathead]

NDA said:

annodomini2 said:

Insurance rates between providers seems to be fluctuating for Tesla's, for me back in June, LV was the cheapest (DL was 30% more).

The cheapest appears to be Peugeot atm (same underwriter as DL), but lots of arguments on whether they will actually cover the car.

My advice do your research.

Interesting.

I've just renewed with DL - but didn't shop around. When I took the policy out 12 months ago they were between 50 and 100% cheaper than the other usual suspects.

I've just done the same! Same price as last year but with 30K business miles at under a grand and a London suburbs postcode I'm not complaining. LV was 60% higher.

[Up_North]

CheesecakeRunner said:

Show me where relay theft has been proven to work on a Bluetooth connection in the wild, without the attacker having access to the device first.

Your criticism is valid for the previous Model S and X that used RF transmitters, but not the Model 3 which is wholly Bluetooth.

This 100%.