Model Y vs Model X
Discussion
I’ve been somewhat waiting for the Y. However given the continuing delays, I’ve been thinking a bit more about an X.
I can’t justify the expense of a new one. What are people’s thoughts on a used X? I realise it will be older tech, but largely I guess I’m thinking in terms of likely running costs - reliability principal amongst them.
The major price rises a few years ago mean that a used X seems to be priced not far below then-new prices. Clearly original owners have done well on that deal. But I don’t have a time machine so prices are what they are.
My use case involves sometimes driving 250 miles door to door for work, without charging ability at the far end. So I’d want as much range as possible.
I can’t justify the expense of a new one. What are people’s thoughts on a used X? I realise it will be older tech, but largely I guess I’m thinking in terms of likely running costs - reliability principal amongst them.
The major price rises a few years ago mean that a used X seems to be priced not far below then-new prices. Clearly original owners have done well on that deal. But I don’t have a time machine so prices are what they are.
My use case involves sometimes driving 250 miles door to door for work, without charging ability at the far end. So I’d want as much range as possible.
CheesecakeRunner said:
A used Model X will cost you at least the same as a new Long Range Model Y.
To get the range you want, you’d need a 100d and that’ll cost you a lot more than a new Y. Plus there’s a lot more expensive stuff to go wrong in an X.
Not sure what delays you mean with the Y? They’re on sale now for delivery in Q1 or early Q2 next year. Pretty quick all things considered at the moment.
All good points, hence my questions.To get the range you want, you’d need a 100d and that’ll cost you a lot more than a new Y. Plus there’s a lot more expensive stuff to go wrong in an X.
Not sure what delays you mean with the Y? They’re on sale now for delivery in Q1 or early Q2 next year. Pretty quick all things considered at the moment.
I can have an X now. Given what we’ve seen in the world with chip shortages etc, I don’t know how confident I am in a delivery date on a new Y
Our X is now officially out of warranty, so ask me in about 12 month time how that work out.
Interms of a X versus any other car, once you get use to the massive panoramic windscreen and power doors that make a mockery of the tightest parking spaces when full loaded with family, its hard to downgrade to anything else.
We've thought about getting a Y along side the X, but the reality is we would hardly use it, for long trips the luxury of the space in X cannot be beaten, and ours has 'free for life' Supercharging, so I don't mind spending 15 minutes at chargers in exchange for not paying 25-35p/kWh of electricity.
The big thing for you though is 250 miles a day door to door. Even a 100D X will not do that winter, nor a LR Y, and even LR Model 3 will be pushing it if its wet, cold and wind blowing the wrong way. So it really depends how many times you do those trips and how of much of an inconvenience a 20-30 minute charging stop would be.
Interesting the number of Tesla Superchargers seem to have gone nuts recently, on a return trip from Leicester to Reading last weekend we were spoilt for choice on where to stop and charge.
Oh and on the 'old technology' bit, our X returns consumption that the latest Ionqi 5 seem to struggle to hit at Mway speeds.
The price of a brand new X (when ever it arrives in the UK) in the same spec/config as our 2017 is now a whopping £114K, our car invoiced at £71K. The only real difference is the MCU3 hardware and better range by roughly 80 miles, I don’t know about you but 80 miles and a fancy new infotainment computer isn’t worth £60k+ which would the cost to change for us right now if we traded in our X, especially when you factory in loss of 'free for life' Supercharging and connectivity - Find a used X registered before April 2017 and it should also come with both.
Having said that though, if you took away our X tomorrow, despite the significantly higher cost of new, I would probably order another one. Elon Musk called the X a Faberge egg, utterly pointless but if you the option to have one why not? After all life is short, why waste it on dull cars
.Interms of a X versus any other car, once you get use to the massive panoramic windscreen and power doors that make a mockery of the tightest parking spaces when full loaded with family, its hard to downgrade to anything else.
We've thought about getting a Y along side the X, but the reality is we would hardly use it, for long trips the luxury of the space in X cannot be beaten, and ours has 'free for life' Supercharging, so I don't mind spending 15 minutes at chargers in exchange for not paying 25-35p/kWh of electricity.
The big thing for you though is 250 miles a day door to door. Even a 100D X will not do that winter, nor a LR Y, and even LR Model 3 will be pushing it if its wet, cold and wind blowing the wrong way. So it really depends how many times you do those trips and how of much of an inconvenience a 20-30 minute charging stop would be.
Interesting the number of Tesla Superchargers seem to have gone nuts recently, on a return trip from Leicester to Reading last weekend we were spoilt for choice on where to stop and charge
.Oh and on the 'old technology' bit, our X returns consumption that the latest Ionqi 5 seem to struggle to hit at Mway speeds.
The price of a brand new X (when ever it arrives in the UK) in the same spec/config as our 2017 is now a whopping £114K, our car invoiced at £71K. The only real difference is the MCU3 hardware and better range by roughly 80 miles, I don’t know about you but 80 miles and a fancy new infotainment computer isn’t worth £60k+ which would the cost to change for us right now if we traded in our X, especially when you factory in loss of 'free for life' Supercharging and connectivity - Find a used X registered before April 2017 and it should also come with both.
Having said that though, if you took away our X tomorrow, despite the significantly higher cost of new, I would probably order another one. Elon Musk called the X a Faberge egg, utterly pointless but if you the option to have one why not? After all life is short, why waste it on dull cars
The official Tesla extended warranty is actually cheaper than 3rd party options at £3300 for 4 years/50k miles. But it doesn't cover air suspension, LED lights, and some wiggle room on HVAC which are the potential major issues, so I've decided not to bother.
The X has been the most UNRELIABLE car I have ever owned, at one point it was going to Tesla every other month for warranty work, but all the issues seem to be sorted now.
Depreciation over the last 12 months has been pretty much zero, but that's the same more most used cars. However as I've pointed out a brand new X at £114k really isn't £60k better than our 2017 car. Infact I could pay Tesla £20k to 'upgrade' the battery and take the range to within 20-30 miles of the latest/newest X, but even that's pretty mad as our X spends most of its life charged to 60%.
New Y versus used X, on paper a Y is by far the most sensible option, but the X is a far more interesting car to own.
The X has been the most UNRELIABLE car I have ever owned, at one point it was going to Tesla every other month for warranty work, but all the issues seem to be sorted now.
Depreciation over the last 12 months has been pretty much zero, but that's the same more most used cars. However as I've pointed out a brand new X at £114k really isn't £60k better than our 2017 car. Infact I could pay Tesla £20k to 'upgrade' the battery and take the range to within 20-30 miles of the latest/newest X, but even that's pretty mad as our X spends most of its life charged to 60%.
New Y versus used X, on paper a Y is by far the most sensible option, but the X is a far more interesting car to own.
X is barking, wouldnt own one myself because it wouldnt do anything I need more than a Y (or CT..) but its just an incredible machine.
One thing is that the Y has steel suspension thats reportedly too firm (for reasons) the X has cushy air suspension.
The Y will be a sportier drive, the X more wafty and comfy
One thing is that the Y has steel suspension thats reportedly too firm (for reasons) the X has cushy air suspension.
The Y will be a sportier drive, the X more wafty and comfy
Since gang bought his, they’ve enhanced the air suspension, the motors are more efficient with true 1 foot braking, the new one will have a heat pump and don’t underestimate the impact (or the cost) of the bigger battery. The new one will also charge considerably faster.
The new Y v older X is a question people have asked for years in different guises. A used 911 v a new cayman, a used s class Merc v a new E class, you start to trade lower depreciation with increased running costs and they probably balance out. I’d probably go X myself given the choice,
The new Y v older X is a question people have asked for years in different guises. A used 911 v a new cayman, a used s class Merc v a new E class, you start to trade lower depreciation with increased running costs and they probably balance out. I’d probably go X myself given the choice,
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