US probing Autopilot problems on 765,000 Tesla vehicles
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The U.S. government has opened a formal investigation into Tesla’s Autopilot partially automated driving system after a series of collisions with parked emergency vehicles
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-age...
https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/us-age...
After some long trips I’ve worked out that Autopilot aborting on ours is usually in very slightly low light conditions or rain. It’s down to me not allowing the lights to operate in auto. They seem to want to come on before dusk rather than at dusk when in auto. In NW UK unless it’s searingly bright sunshine the auto lights want to default to dipped beam - in the daytime.
Tesla told me it’s sensitivity is not adjustable - they all do that sir.
Without the lights on well before a human would need them it seems to think it can’t see.
Same could be true for bright strobed light conditions if it’s cameras work off light vs dark shapes for identifying hazards.
It’s very clever but nowhere near safe in every situation.
Tesla told me it’s sensitivity is not adjustable - they all do that sir.
Without the lights on well before a human would need them it seems to think it can’t see.
Same could be true for bright strobed light conditions if it’s cameras work off light vs dark shapes for identifying hazards.
It’s very clever but nowhere near safe in every situation.
Unsure if related but six children in injured after Tesla crashes in school car park.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/16/five-c...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/16/five-c...
Our zebra crossing was driven over last week by a Tesla 3 , it has a warning sign on a pole, a big arrow showing you which side of the road you should be on, it is even covered in blue/white reflectors.
But it is on a corner and there is a driveway behind it going up. So if you are 100m down the road it could look like the road goes straight.
However the model 3 took out the passenger side of the pole. What concerns me is that people are using autopilot in suburban areas. Thinking they are in the Automotive equivalent of an Elevator, when they are in fact on an escalator.
These will be geofenced within the coming years.
But it is on a corner and there is a driveway behind it going up. So if you are 100m down the road it could look like the road goes straight.
However the model 3 took out the passenger side of the pole. What concerns me is that people are using autopilot in suburban areas. Thinking they are in the Automotive equivalent of an Elevator, when they are in fact on an escalator.
These will be geofenced within the coming years.
I think it was Ford that at one point said the advanced driver assistance that wasn’t yet autonomous was too dangerous and they were going to not implement it. The challenge is keeping the driver sufficiently engaged and alert that they’re both aware of what’s happening and ready to step in when the systems become increasingly able to get from a to b with minimal intervention.
Level 3 is the stage where the car knows it needs to hand back control in a minimum time frame, I think the uk is legislating 6s, that means no sudden disconnects, no failing to spot a parked car or stationary traffic ahead, it’s a case of coming across roadworks, advising the driver to put down their phone and bringing the car to a safe stopr whatever the situation demands.
When you look at the focus ckmpanies lime Tesla are putting on driving it all seems more geared at more features that sometimes fail, and less about less but absolutely predictable behaviour and hand back. In essence, the important aspect for the transition is the interface with the driver and only longer term is it the full set of features. Tesla are particularly bad and the driver engagement aspect and communicating what it’s intentions are. NCAP reinforced this view in their tests. Tesla were better at driving, but it was still a long way from driving reliably, and therefore letting the driver know is crucial. I’ll give a simple example, in our Bmw with their top system the car tells you what the next action will be, that may be a speed limit change coming up, it might be a roundabout etc, and it counts you down before the change, there’s no doubt in your mind if the car knows what’s ahead. In our Tesla with EAP, it barrels along then brakes without you having any idea, so half the time you take over fir safety.
Tesla really need to do more about saving drivers from themselves, because some people are just ignorant and some foolish, you can at least address the ignorant.
Level 3 is the stage where the car knows it needs to hand back control in a minimum time frame, I think the uk is legislating 6s, that means no sudden disconnects, no failing to spot a parked car or stationary traffic ahead, it’s a case of coming across roadworks, advising the driver to put down their phone and bringing the car to a safe stopr whatever the situation demands.
When you look at the focus ckmpanies lime Tesla are putting on driving it all seems more geared at more features that sometimes fail, and less about less but absolutely predictable behaviour and hand back. In essence, the important aspect for the transition is the interface with the driver and only longer term is it the full set of features. Tesla are particularly bad and the driver engagement aspect and communicating what it’s intentions are. NCAP reinforced this view in their tests. Tesla were better at driving, but it was still a long way from driving reliably, and therefore letting the driver know is crucial. I’ll give a simple example, in our Bmw with their top system the car tells you what the next action will be, that may be a speed limit change coming up, it might be a roundabout etc, and it counts you down before the change, there’s no doubt in your mind if the car knows what’s ahead. In our Tesla with EAP, it barrels along then brakes without you having any idea, so half the time you take over fir safety.
Tesla really need to do more about saving drivers from themselves, because some people are just ignorant and some foolish, you can at least address the ignorant.
coetzeeh said:
Unsure if related but six children in injured after Tesla crashes in school car park.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/16/five-c...
Not sure why the brand of car is relevant in that article. Any other brand of car and it wouldn't have been given a second thought.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/16/five-c...
"Six children injured as Tesla crashes in school car park."
sparkymark75 said:
Not sure why the brand of car is relevant in that article. Any other brand of car and it wouldn't have been given a second thought.
"Six children injured as Tesla crashes in school car park."
You just don’t notice, the make is mentioned all the time"Six children injured as Tesla crashes in school car park."
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