Tesla’s not energy efficient?
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Interesting read here
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
It's a Polestar backed study that's testing EPA range claims rather than actual efficiency? The fact that the ETron comes top on that list should probably have confirmed that as renowned for being one of the least efficient EV's.
Plenty of places to get independently tested actual efficiency figures. Have a look and report back on how Tesla do?
Plenty of places to get independently tested actual efficiency figures. Have a look and report back on how Tesla do?
jason61c said:
Interesting read here
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
The test isn’t measuring efficiency. It’s measuring how close the car can come to its published test figure. But by not comparing apples with apples, because they’re comparing high speed continuous driving with no regen (a scenario where any electric car is poor) to a simulated test scenario. https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
And anyway, the story’s conclusion rather than its headline is actually
“ Again, these numbers only measure how much of the vehicle’s claimed range was actually achieved in highway conditions. Looking at the actual final distance traveled, the Tesla Model 3 still traveled the furthest”
I’ll take the car that can go the furthest.
Edited by CheesecakeRunner on Saturday 15th August 08:42
Quite. They also tested the least efficient Model 3 (Performance) and it still went considerably further than the other vehicles despite having the smallest battery on test.
Would have been even more of a gap had they done the test properly and used an LR with comparable power output to the other vehicles
You have to wonder why they bothered posting the above as unless you are completely blinkered it doesn't show the P2 in a very good light? 30 miles less range than the Performance model 3 in standard trim, almost 40 less with the PP and I'd suggest at least 50-60 miles less than than the LR had they tested it?
Would have been even more of a gap had they done the test properly and used an LR with comparable power output to the other vehicles
You have to wonder why they bothered posting the above as unless you are completely blinkered it doesn't show the P2 in a very good light? 30 miles less range than the Performance model 3 in standard trim, almost 40 less with the PP and I'd suggest at least 50-60 miles less than than the LR had they tested it?
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 15th August 09:03
jason61c said:
Interesting read here
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
The article should read 'Tesla have gamed the EPA test routine better than anyone else'.https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
Teslas are efficient at M way speeds, our X is MORE efficient at 70mph than my old Leaf, but over the years Tesla have managed to develop a secret sauce to really push up EPA range despite not much real life increase in efficiency at Mway speeds.
Real life data shows the current 'Raven' X is actually no more efficient than a 2017 X at 80mph despite what Tesla claim.
This report simply show the real life difference in M way of a Tesla versus EPA rating. Other manufacturers are yet to figure out how to game the EPA system so their real life M way range is very similar to their EPA range.
jason61c said:
It’s designed to show actual energy usage at motorway speed. The polestar doesn’t even come out tops, however they still publish it. Backs up the big which/whatcar test results?
Not what you suggest in your OP?jason61c said:
Interesting read here
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
Which you agree is very obviously incorrect based on the table above?https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-for...
Ignoring all out range, seems the model 3 and model 3 p aren’t very efficient?
JD said:
Surely this is a huge own goal by Polestar?
They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Polestar 2 has 78kWh battery, our much bigger Model X has a 75kWh. I've just done 160 miles yesterday with a bike on the back at 65-70mph where possible with 20% SOC left, so 200 miles 100-0%.They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Tesla is far ahead of the competition interms of efficiency (excluding the Koreans), but they have gamed EPA test routine.
JD said:
Surely this is a huge own goal by Polestar?
They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
But at least their published figures are slightly more accurate?. They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
What's the betting they also tested an LR but there was no % difference in the results so no good for the purpose of the 'independent study'?
Reminds me of TG altering their drag race to 1/2 mile rather than 1/4 and running lower battery to ensure the C63S beat the m3P. Transparent, but you get called a 'fanboi' when you point it out.
The P2 appears to be a cracking car, silly stuff likes this really isn't needed.
gangzoom said:
JD said:
Surely this is a huge own goal by Polestar?
They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Polestar 2 has 78kWh battery, our much bigger Model X has a 75kWh. I've just done 160 miles yesterday with a bike on the back at 65-70mph where possible with 20% SOC left, so 200 miles 100-0%.They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Tesla is far ahead of the competition interms of efficiency (excluding the Koreans), but they have gamed EPA test routine.
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 15th August 09:34
SWoll said:
Koreans are running far lower power figures though in comparison, mostly around 200bhp? Like being surprised a 2.0 Focus is more efficient than a bmw 340i or m4?
Is that true electric cars?I'd have thought that a more powerful electric motor won't be less efficient when producing the same power (which is what's required for the same speed) as a less powerful one.
i.e. two different electric motors only need to produce the same X kW to push along the same car at Y km/h.
It's different of course for piston engines.
LG9k said:
SWoll said:
Koreans are running far lower power figures though in comparison, mostly around 200bhp? Like being surprised a 2.0 Focus is more efficient than a bmw 340i or m4?
Is that true electric cars?I'd have thought that a more powerful electric motor won't be less efficient when producing the same power (which is what's required for the same speed) as a less powerful one.
i.e. two different electric motors only need to produce the same X kW to push along the same car at Y km/h.
It's different of course for piston engines.
Not as much as with ICE I agree but that's my understanding anyway?
LG9k said:
Is that true electric cars?
No it's not really. Electric motor efficiency doesn't drop off at low loads like ICE efficiency. There may be a very minor efficiency drop off but it will be low single figures percentages.More powerful motors may, of course, be heavier which will have a small effect.
SWoll said:
JD said:
Surely this is a huge own goal by Polestar?
They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
But at least their published figures are slightly more accurate?. They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
What's the betting they also tested an LR but there was no % difference in the results so no good for the purpose of the 'independent study'?
Reminds me of TG altering their drag race to 1/2 mile rather than 1/4 and running lower battery to ensure the C63S beat the m3P. Transparent, but you get called a 'fanboi' when you point it out.
The P2 appears to be a cracking car, silly stuff likes this really isn't needed.
gangzoom said:
JD said:
Surely this is a huge own goal by Polestar?
They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Polestar 2 has 78kWh battery, our much bigger Model X has a 75kWh. I've just done 160 miles yesterday with a bike on the back at 65-70mph where possible with 20% SOC left, so 200 miles 100-0%.They have published a study that says their new car can’t do anywhere close to 200 miles between motorway stops In absolute perfect conditions!
Tesla is far ahead of the competition interms of efficiency (excluding the Koreans), but they have gamed EPA test routine.
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 15th August 09:34
I know this is PH, however if there was a 2wd polestar 2 that did 0-60 in 8 seconds but a genuine 300 miles, I’d have that one instead.
OP has a history of bigging up the Polestar (which he would as he's said he's got a lease order in for one) and dissing theTesla.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to try and justify their choice of car by critisicing others.
Maybe he was hoping he could go down the pub and tell all his mates how the Polestar is so much better than all the other BEVs in every way?
Sad.
I don't understand why some people feel the need to try and justify their choice of car by critisicing others.
Maybe he was hoping he could go down the pub and tell all his mates how the Polestar is so much better than all the other BEVs in every way?
Sad.
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