Tesla Wins

[sausage76]

So had an interesting experience today.

Just where I work there was a electric car event. There was a line up of most models that are available to buy in the UK plus a couple that weren't.

So there was a selection of hybrids (I don't get the point as they can only do 20-40 miles max on their batteries. These where VW, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes. Nothing exciting to see here.

Then we have full EV. A new merc that was alright, and the e-tron. Then an MG, and a real interesting Honda E, very nice lots of interesting features. A car I can't remember, not for sale in UK so no isssues and then a Model 3.

All i can say is wow I now want one for sure. I have never had time to sit in one and have a good mess with all the controls etc.

What really struck me was how the Tesla was so far ahead when compared to the others. All the others are just another Audi or Merc etc with batteries. But the tesla is just amazing with its central control screen, the fact the vents are hidden is amazing and just what a car should be like for me. The features the range the cost are way ahead of anything else that was there.


So I'm off to spec a model 3 and see how much money is in my piggy bank.

[Scrump]

I have had my tesla 3 deposit returned as I was disappointed with the car when I finally sat in one. Can’t comment on the others you mention as I haven’t seen them.

(The 20 to 30 mile range of a hybrid suited my daily commute perfectly, so they are useful for some people.)

[Dave Hedgehog]

After half a mile of driving one every ICE I have driven car felt old fashioned and all I could think after driving it was about how unresponsive my A45 was lol

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 16th October 04:20

[SWoll]

As above, wait till you actually drive one OP.

My wife has an i3 at the moment and I completely agree that it makes ICE cars feel archaic. I'm currently waiting on a Model 3 Performance (due end of the month) at which point that'll be the end of ICE for me other than holiday hire cars and possibly a daft weekend toy.

[LotusJas]

A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality.

Don't write off hybrids. I've driven my i8 across a continent in 2 days, in comfort. Good luck trying that in a BEV.

Horses for courses though, as I love my i3 for local use.

[Heres Johnny]

LotusJas said:

A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality.

Don't write off hybrids. I've driven my i8 across a continent in 2 days, in comfort. Good luck trying that in a BEV.

Horses for courses though, as I love my i3 for local use.

I’ve a Tesla MS P90D and a BMW i8 - as said, don't write off a good hybrid, but it needs to be a good one.

While Teslas design does feel very different, there’s a lack of detail to some of the engineering on that price of car that comes through over time. There’s also stupid decisions like a whoopee cushion rather than the ability to close the windows from the key fob, adding Netflix rather than CarPlay, using a Dutch sim so any internet service thinks you’re in Holland - starts to add up (I’ve had Teslas for 4 years so it’s not all bad, but you can tell it’s American.)

[SWoll]

Heres Johnny said:

LotusJas said:

A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality.

Don't write off hybrids. I've driven my i8 across a continent in 2 days, in comfort. Good luck trying that in a BEV.

Horses for courses though, as I love my i3 for local use.

I’ve a Tesla MS P90D and a BMW i8 - as said, don't write off a good hybrid, but it needs to be a good one.

While Teslas design does feel very different, there’s a lack of detail to some of the engineering on that price of car that comes through over time. There’s also stupid decisions like a whoopee cushion rather than the ability to close the windows from the key fob, adding Netflix rather than CarPlay, using a Dutch sim so any internet service thinks you’re in Holland - starts to add up (I’ve had Teslas for 4 years so it’s not all bad, but you can tell it’s American.)

I do think that suggesting terrible reliability and very poor build quality when talking about the Model 3 is a bit unfair though. Not aware of any widespread reliability issues personally and the build quality is considered far better than the older models?

[Heres Johnny]

SWoll said:

Heres Johnny said:

LotusJas said:

A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality.

Don't write off hybrids. I've driven my i8 across a continent in 2 days, in comfort. Good luck trying that in a BEV.

Horses for courses though, as I love my i3 for local use.

I’ve a Tesla MS P90D and a BMW i8 - as said, don't write off a good hybrid, but it needs to be a good one.

While Teslas design does feel very different, there’s a lack of detail to some of the engineering on that price of car that comes through over time. There’s also stupid decisions like a whoopee cushion rather than the ability to close the windows from the key fob, adding Netflix rather than CarPlay, using a Dutch sim so any internet service thinks you’re in Holland - starts to add up (I’ve had Teslas for 4 years so it’s not all bad, but you can tell it’s American.)

I do think that suggesting terrible reliability and very poor build quality when talking about the Model 3 is a bit unfair though. Not aware of any widespread reliability issues personally and the build quality is considered far better than the older models?

Where do I say that? I’m talking about design

You also said you have not got one yet, so your judgement seems based on a BMW and what you e read.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 16th October 08:21

[SWoll]

Heres Johnny said:

SWoll said:

Heres Johnny said:

LotusJas said:

A lot of great things about Teslas, but they are terrible for reliability, and v poor for build quality.

Don't write off hybrids. I've driven my i8 across a continent in 2 days, in comfort. Good luck trying that in a BEV.

Horses for courses though, as I love my i3 for local use.

I’ve a Tesla MS P90D and a BMW i8 - as said, don't write off a good hybrid, but it needs to be a good one.

While Teslas design does feel very different, there’s a lack of detail to some of the engineering on that price of car that comes through over time. There’s also stupid decisions like a whoopee cushion rather than the ability to close the windows from the key fob, adding Netflix rather than CarPlay, using a Dutch sim so any internet service thinks you’re in Holland - starts to add up (I’ve had Teslas for 4 years so it’s not all bad, but you can tell it’s American.)

I do think that suggesting terrible reliability and very poor build quality when talking about the Model 3 is a bit unfair though. Not aware of any widespread reliability issues personally and the build quality is considered far better than the older models?

Where do I say that? I’m talking about design

You also said you have not got one yet, so your judgement seems based on a BMW and what you e read.

Edited by Heres Johnny on Wednesday 16th October 08:21

Not you, the poster you quoted (in bold above).

Reliability and build quality needs to be based on a general consensus of many owners/press etc. anyway as impossible to come to a conclusion based solely on your own experience. All manufacturers have lemons.

[Heres Johnny]

SWoll said:

Not you, the poster you quoted (in bold above).

Reliability and build quality needs to be based on a general consensus of many owners/press etc. anyway as impossible to come to a conclusion based solely on your own experience. All manufacturers have lemons.

Ah ok I just saw you'd quoted my post

[SWoll]

Heres Johnny said:

SWoll said:

Not you, the poster you quoted (in bold above).

Reliability and build quality needs to be based on a general consensus of many owners/press etc. anyway as impossible to come to a conclusion based solely on your own experience. All manufacturers have lemons.

Ah ok I just saw you'd quoted my post

No worries. Assumed usual hyper-defensive Tesla driver.

[Frimley111R]

There is a recent thread on here where a guy tried the i-Pace and Tesla and they chose the Tesla as it seemed much more 'futuristic' and not, as you say, another Jaguar/Audi etc with batteries

[sausage76]

As has been said the ownership process could and would change my opinion.

But for me why by just a normal car thats got some cells in it for alot of money when I could get a Tesla. As an example the merc on display was 80k, but was just a merc.

I understand that hybrids are a good option for some but don't see the point when its only doing 20 miles.

[RicksAlfas]

sausage76 said:

I understand that hybrids are a good option for some but don't see the point when its only doing 20 miles.

Because the ICE and the batteries work together all the time, so despite a very limited range on my hybrid, in the last 10,000 miles my ICE has been off for 6,000 of them. It isn't the electric only range that matters, it's the switching between the two as you drive dependent on load, speed, gradient that gives the benefits.

[anonymous-user]

sausage76 said:

the fact the vents are hidden is amazing

Talk about easily impressed. They recessed the vents. Truly we live in an age of wonders.

Interestingly Tesla just nerfed the Model 3 battery by 6% with an over-the-air update. Incredible that manufacturers can now remotely downgrade your car and they don't even have to compensate you!

[SWoll]

kuro68k said:

Talk about easily impressed. They recessed the vents. Truly we live in an age of wonders.

Interestingly Tesla just nerfed the Model 3 battery by 6% with an over-the-air update. Incredible that manufacturers can now remotely downgrade your car and they don't even have to compensate you!

Got to agree that it's a pretty stty thing to do without even bothering to let anyone know.

Very sneaky that they've also changed the constant used to calculate range in an attempt to make it look a less significant loss according to Bjorn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOaDolXJXU

[squirdan]

and they've definitely tried to hide it...I'm sure the green battery icon top right used to display miles. now it displays % charge. I haven't altered settings...that's just having downloaded v10.

as you say - sneaky

the compensation point is BS though...ICE cars don't guarantee you the exact BHP they claim (and performance falls off as engines wear), nor as is now obvious, the MPG. Your broadband is probably not exactly the speed they advertise. these things are simply a guide

[Dave Hedgehog]

kuro68k said:

Interestingly Tesla just nerfed the Model 3 battery by 6% with an over-the-air update. Incredible that manufacturers can now remotely downgrade your car and they don't even have to compensate you!

i have the latest update, my battery has not changed

but i agree they should inform you what they are doing and why and give you the option to decline the change

they are being sued in merica for this on the model s

[deeen]

sausage76 said:

As has been said the ownership process could and would change my opinion.

But for me why by just a normal car thats got some cells in it for alot of money when I could get a Tesla. As an example the merc on display was 80k, but was just a merc.

I understand that hybrids are a good option for some but don't see the point when its only doing 20 miles.

My drive to work is 3 miles, I think a plug-in hybrid could work for this.

[SWoll]

A lot of online chatter that it's bks and down to Bjorn's testing methods rather than a change to the software.