Model 3 Standard plus real miles. Deal breaker
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Hi,
Standard plus model 3 is in my company car budget. Test driven and all in however I have a double weekly commute distance of 150 miles and I would need 160 for comfort of an M3 traffic detour which can happen. I cant afford time to stop and charge. In a beast from the east winter is this possible? This is my deal breaker.
Thank you
Standard plus model 3 is in my company car budget. Test driven and all in however I have a double weekly commute distance of 150 miles and I would need 160 for comfort of an M3 traffic detour which can happen. I cant afford time to stop and charge. In a beast from the east winter is this possible? This is my deal breaker.
Thank you
Kelsy said:
Hi,
Standard plus model 3 is in my company car budget. Test driven and all in however I have a double weekly commute distance of 150 miles and I would need 160 for comfort of an M3 traffic detour which can happen. I cant afford time to stop and charge. In a beast from the east winter is this possible? This is my deal breaker.
Thank you
Is that a question or a statement? 150 miles shouldn't be an issue in a SR+ even in winter. If it was 150 miles each way then I wouldn't rely on any of them to cope in winter.Standard plus model 3 is in my company car budget. Test driven and all in however I have a double weekly commute distance of 150 miles and I would need 160 for comfort of an M3 traffic detour which can happen. I cant afford time to stop and charge. In a beast from the east winter is this possible? This is my deal breaker.
Thank you
Keep it to 70 and you should be fine even in the dead of winter. I you expect to be able to do 80+ on the motorway as many people obviously do then I think you'll struggle.
When you say you can't afford to charge, what is the actual route? 10 minutes at a supercharger at some point in the return journey would stop it being an issue.
When you say you can't afford to charge, what is the actual route? 10 minutes at a supercharger at some point in the return journey would stop it being an issue.
Kelsy said:
Hi,
Yes sorry I need 160 miles minimum. Charging points will be at home and work.
I think you'd be ok but you're right to ask the question and give yourself a buffer. You don't want to be pulling onto the car park or drive in single digits of range left on a regular basis. I'll let a M3 owner comment on what they're getting but with a WLTP figure of around 250 it would seem to offer a fair bit of headroom. The penalty for winter driving is worst if its lots of small trips, although still not as good as summer. And speed can be a range killer to if you're a 90 mph personYes sorry I need 160 miles minimum. Charging points will be at home and work.
The other consideration is how long you're at work to charge. I used to do a similar trip to Leeds but I'd onyl be int he office for 5 hours and that only gave me a 100 odd miles, on a M3 thats more likely to 140 miles but they're happy day miles, in winter I was adding 70 miles of actual range if that makes sense (and I guess 100 miles in a M3).
Epa is 240 miles so 150/160 in winter should be fine, southern UK doesn't get that cold, last winter in USA people were getting 2/3rds range at - 20 etc.
Helps if you preconditionn(just have it plugged in) and heat the cabin before you leave but you'd want to do that anyhow.
If you have 7kw charging at work that's around 30 miles an hour
Helps if you preconditionn(just have it plugged in) and heat the cabin before you leave but you'd want to do that anyhow.
If you have 7kw charging at work that's around 30 miles an hour
Edited by RobDickinson on Sunday 29th September 09:08
RobDickinson said:
Epa is 240 miles so 150/160 in winter should be fine, southern UK doesn't get that cold, last winter in USA people were getting 2/3rds range at - 20 etc.
Helps if you preconditionn(just have it plugged in) and heat the cabin before you leave but you'd want to do that anyhow.
All going to depend on average speed though Rob as mentioned above?Helps if you preconditionn(just have it plugged in) and heat the cabin before you leave but you'd want to do that anyhow.
Bjorn's testing showed 186 mile of range at 75mph in the summer. 80mph in the winter and that is going to drop significantly?
https://insideevs.com/news/359667/video-tesla-mode...
Kelsy said:
Its Exeter to Woking. A303/M3. About 60% wi be 75 MPH, the rest 50 ish then the town stuff at each end. Yes some Std+ more user feedback would be great. Thanks for comments so far ??
I’m also of the opinion you should be fine. Assuming you’re going from Exeter to Woking then a 5/10 minute stop at Fleet North would give extra peace of mind. That would be a much better option than considering Winchester/Norton Park.I’ve done Croydon - Bournemouth in my S75D in all weathers many times and 160 miles has never been even close to a problem. Not quite sure how that correlates to a M3 Srd+ though.
160 miles will no issues.
We do 160 miles from Leicester to Cardiff regularly with our 75D X which has EPA rated range of 234 miles. Driving at 70mph, we normally arrive with around 10% SOC even in winter, the only time I've had to stop/charge was when running 22inch wheels, about 5 degrees AND there was a torrential down pour, even than I realised we could have made it but I want a bugger of about 10% for diversions/road closures just in case.
The 3 is much more efficient than the X so I wouldn't think 160 miles on a charge is any issue.
We do 160 miles from Leicester to Cardiff regularly with our 75D X which has EPA rated range of 234 miles. Driving at 70mph, we normally arrive with around 10% SOC even in winter, the only time I've had to stop/charge was when running 22inch wheels, about 5 degrees AND there was a torrential down pour, even than I realised we could have made it but I want a bugger of about 10% for diversions/road closures just in case.
The 3 is much more efficient than the X so I wouldn't think 160 miles on a charge is any issue.
The other thing to mention the car has excellent built in range prediction, if you plug in your destination into the cars satnav and it'll predict arrival charge status with amazing accuracy if you drive at 70-75mph, drive at 65-70mph and your beat the prediction quite easily.
The below website is by far the best range/trip predictor for all EVs, you can even program in adverse weather to see how it effects range.
My personal experience, cold doesn't impact range any where near as bad a standing water. Even slowing down In torrential rain slowing down does little to improve your range as the physical energy required to push water out of the way is just constant.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com
The below website is by far the best range/trip predictor for all EVs, you can even program in adverse weather to see how it effects range.
My personal experience, cold doesn't impact range any where near as bad a standing water. Even slowing down In torrential rain slowing down does little to improve your range as the physical energy required to push water out of the way is just constant.
https://abetterrouteplanner.com
Heres Johnny said:
What difference does that make when you're looking at the stated range? The efficiency differences are already in the numbers.
Your right, but we all know Tesla have played EPA figures, interesting to see the current S/X EPA ratings are nearly 10% more than what should be stated, where as the SR+ 3 only 1% and the now discounted LR 3 actually had range down rated to make the S look better. https://teslike.com/range/
Am also not sure how efficiency on the 3 tails off as speed increase. On the X 70mph is actually OK, but by the time you hit 80mph the efficiency falls off a cliff, which is why loads of X owners moan about not getting any where near EPA range. The reality of UK M-way driving is also such that driving at 80mph when possible makes little difference to real life travel time when compared to driving at 70mph, or even less, especially around the M1/M25/M6 - so any where with traffic.
Model 3 in theory should have less efficiency drop off at 80mph though, so I suspect you can drive at 80mph without as much impact on drop in rated range.
Edited by gangzoom on Sunday 29th September 11:00
Kelsy said:
Its Exeter to Woking. A303/M3. About 60% wi be 75 MPH, the rest 50 ish then the town stuff at each end. Yes some Std+ more user feedback would be great. Thanks for comments so far ??
You will be absolutely fine. You'll get around 200 in that case even in the winter.I'd say to get the range down to 160miles you'd need to go 80MPH for the whole battery, ie 2 hours at a solid (real) 80mph with the heater on.
Here is a useful chart for range at 80mph:
https://i.redd.it/fcd1127n4ut11.jpg
Always find it impressive that the LR model will do 321miles at 70mph!!!
Edited by jjwilde on Sunday 29th September 19:08
If there is ever a likelihood of not reaching a destination in an EV, the simple solution is to drive slower (and turn heaters off).
Better to arrive late and cold than not arrive at all.
Range estimators will generally be accurate.
I've had the battery down to 3% on an eNV200 on a couple of occasions getting to a rapid charger, 3 miles if driving really slowly.
Oh for the luxury of more than a 24kWhr battery.
(A heated steering wheel is a lifesaver in the cold).
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