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FurtiveFreddy said:
The i-Pace delivery time is currently being quoted at 6-12 months. So you can buy one, but you won't get it for a while.
No idea about the Audi. Are they on UK roads yet?
I don't think the E-Trons have started UK deliveries yet. I've not paid close attention to them to be fair.No idea about the Audi. Are they on UK roads yet?
I-Pace you can get now, several for sale on Autotrader.
DonkeyApple said:
Absolutely not. But Capitalism is a political ideology like Communism. But Tesla is a corporation based around capitalist intent and figureheaded by an arch Capitalist. Hence why it is listed on a capitalist exchange, raises money through capitalism, incentiveses workers through capitalism and seeks to make profit. It is not a non-profit or mutual or cooperative or charity. There is nothing about the entity that is anything other than built around a capitalist structure. To think anything else is to actually believe the capitalist marketing spin of the capitalist individual with his multiple properties, private jets, capitalist lifestyle and capitalist businesses. A bit like thinking that corporates who change their logo and tag line to pretend to care about fluffy bunnies more than other corporate entities or who invest irrelevant sums in building a toilet for a chap in the third world somehow makes them less capitalist.
Boring product reveals, marketing deceptions, dubious corporate accounting, tactless axing of employees, the exploiting of employees through promises of future riches, a figurehead who wants to be the richest man in the world, shareholders who want to be even richer, consumers who want to validate their consumption. It’s all Trump Towers with a different marketing spin.
Whether there is anything right or wrong is a separate debate but to try and deny what an entity is is just silly and pointless if not plain naive.
So what is the issue you have with Tesla if you agree their ultimate aim is to achieve the so called 'American dream' regardless how you get there.Boring product reveals, marketing deceptions, dubious corporate accounting, tactless axing of employees, the exploiting of employees through promises of future riches, a figurehead who wants to be the richest man in the world, shareholders who want to be even richer, consumers who want to validate their consumption. It’s all Trump Towers with a different marketing spin.
Whether there is anything right or wrong is a separate debate but to try and deny what an entity is is just silly and pointless if not plain naive.
For all the things you can criticize Trump for the one thing you cannot deny is he knows how to look after number one. Which ultimately is what the whole point of capitalism, and as you say it's not for anyone to say that's wrong or right compared to the polar opposite views of Marxism.
Witchfinder said:
I test drove a Model S and was expecting a woefully American interior from what I'd read. I was pleasantly surprised at how well it compared to my 63-plate A7.
What did disappoint was the wonky panels and gaps around the exterior, and the quality of finish on the welds and edges. You didn't see them at first glance, but any closer look at the car shows an *interesting* approach to tolerances.
I went from a Lexus GS300h to the Model S I now have.What did disappoint was the wonky panels and gaps around the exterior, and the quality of finish on the welds and edges. You didn't see them at first glance, but any closer look at the car shows an *interesting* approach to tolerances.
The starkness of the interior really impressed me in the S (and still does) but it's build quality is not as good as the Lexus - in terms of materials or fit and finish. It's still good but not that good.
The panel gaps are not good - big mostly and big & uneven in places. Again I knew that going in to the purchase but still disappointing for a car 6 years into it's manufacturing life cycle, should be tighter as the manufacturing improves/increases in volume. I hope they are better on the newer models.
The exterior is gracefully bland as a friend put it. I dislike some of the Audi/BMW/Merc designs as too complicated, some panels almost look fractured. I saw a Model 3 in the metal in the US at the start of the year and think that the exterior of that is just right for the size - purposeful lines but not fussy. Interior is stark again, and looks good IMHO.
Still, really like the car as it holds 5 adults with room to spare, effortlessly munches miles with or without AutoPilot engaged and is rapid when pushed. .
gangzoom said:
So what is the issue you have with Tesla if you agree their ultimate aim is to achieve the so called 'American dream' regardless how you get there.
For all the things you can criticize Trump for the one thing you cannot deny is he knows how to look after number one. Which ultimately is what the whole point of capitalism, and as you say it's not for anyone to say that's wrong or right compared to the polar opposite views of Marxism.
Eh?For all the things you can criticize Trump for the one thing you cannot deny is he knows how to look after number one. Which ultimately is what the whole point of capitalism, and as you say it's not for anyone to say that's wrong or right compared to the polar opposite views of Marxism.
Heres Johnny said:
Still from a guy in the second row of seating looking back to the 3rd row, headroom was tight for him even in the second row, and he comments there’s no way an adult can realistically sit 8n the 3rd row. Not a great vote for the space
Tesla will be therefore screwed unless they release a bigger version of the Model Y........Oh, hang on....
I understand the boring view, but it's exactly what they need to build.
One of the biggest criticism of ev is the wierd looks. This does exactly what audi Mercedes Ford etc all do, transfered the brand design language onto a mid size suv/cuv.
Do we need a surprise here in this segment? They have the roadster coming and the pickup will be sci-fi as f
k, this needed to be mass market.
One of the biggest criticism of ev is the wierd looks. This does exactly what audi Mercedes Ford etc all do, transfered the brand design language onto a mid size suv/cuv.
Do we need a surprise here in this segment? They have the roadster coming and the pickup will be sci-fi as f
k, this needed to be mass market. I think the looks are fine. They have a corporate image and they span it across all models just like everyone else. The real question isn’t about the Y. Crossovers are a huge segment and can carry big premiums. The real question is why did they go with the 3 first. It really serves little purpose by comparison. The Y is the cheap Tesla that makes total sense and all the 3 is going to do is pose the question why is the Y more expensive when it’s basically the same car underneath.
RobDickinson said:
Deposit will get you to the front of the queue in USA and some LHD countries, by the time RHD is made there will be enough to not worry about it much
Deposits didn't seem to help people with the Model 3 in the States, with performance and long range walk in orders taking precedence over people just looking to get the cooking model.Footage of passenger getting out of one of the third row seats in a Y :-)
https://twitter.com/ravenvanderrave/status/1107340...
https://twitter.com/ravenvanderrave/status/1107340...
JPJPJP said:
Footage of passenger getting out of one of the third row seats in a Y :-)
https://twitter.com/ravenvanderrave/status/1107340...
Classic.. https://twitter.com/ravenvanderrave/status/1107340...
Heres Johnny said:
Still from a guy in the second row of seating looking back to the 3rd row, headroom was tight for him even in the second row, and he comments there’s no way an adult can realistically sit 8n the 3rd row. Not a great vote for the space
How does the third row compare to the rear seats in an MGB GT.Video of a Model Y out in testing. https://youtu.be/bIFQ_LW3N0I
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