Effect of AC on engine output?

Effect of AC on engine output?

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M400DPC

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256 posts

203 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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Took the old girl for a blast this evening and forgot I had the air con blasting away on level 3. When I finally realised, I turned the AC off completely, hit the loud pedal and the increase in power was astonishing. Does anyone know roughly how much power the AC robs when you're giving it beans?

M400DPC

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256 posts

203 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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Seriously without the aircon I'm a sweaty mess as soon as I get the car up to temp, but faced with a 15% power loss, its a no brainer!

The devil

2,141 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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So why does it drain so much power, you can really feel it drag on the engine yet in my van you feel nothing when the air con is on.

JLSELAN

405 posts

240 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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Interesting.
The U.S. Nobles come with an AC bypass switch that disengages the AC compressor during any major acceleration "events". So you never feel the AC drag on power when you need it.
These bypass switches are pretty simple devices that are available for most cars aftermarket.

Edited by JLSELAN on Sunday 18th July 22:13

The devil

2,141 posts

190 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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JLSELAN said:
Interesting.
The U.S. Nobles come with an AC bypass switch that disengages the AC compressor during any major acceleration "events". So you never feel the AC drag on power when you need it.
These bypass switches are pretty simple devices that are available for most cars aftermarket.

Edited by JLSELAN on Sunday 18th July 22:13
Is that not the same as turning it off?

JLSELAN

405 posts

240 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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Yes and no--the switch interrupts power to the compressor clutch momentarily (while you are accelerating hard), so the compressor pulley just freewheels, but it does not affect the fans.

jamie g

516 posts

223 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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I can't say I notice any difference in performance, the revs drop a little at idle though.
I'm sure it only takes a few bhp, 15% power loss doesn't seem right unless you are in an 850 mini or something.

jamie g

516 posts

223 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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sundance02 said:
jamie g said:
I can't say I notice any difference in performance, the revs drop a little at idle though.
I'm sure it only takes a few bhp, 15% power loss doesn't seem right unless you are in an 850 mini or something.
If you have the a/c on full a 10% loss is easily achieved, it will also depend on the type of system fitted. On a diesel it is not so noticeable.
Are you talking about percentages of maximum power output?

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,809 posts

247 months

Sunday 18th July 2010
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Most any aircon takes is about 6bhp but generally half that.

Gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

243 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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the loss in power you are feeling is probably because the intercooler is too hot and the power has been reduced by the ecu

The devil

2,141 posts

190 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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i feel it tug on the engine as soon as the compressor cuts in

SimonJW

779 posts

244 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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Is it not more to do with the drain on the battery?

ThatPhilBrettGuy

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247 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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SimonJW said:
Is it not more to do with the drain on the battery?
No. Purely the extra force needed to spin the compressor.

Stating how much power it takes as a percentage of engine output is daft. Clearly aircon will use roughly the same power sat at idle as when flat out.

I suspect the widely quoted 10-15% figure is from people running around in small Fiats on holiday in Spain. If they output 50bhp in heat you're lucky!

andygtt

8,345 posts

271 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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cant see any reason why it takes a curve of power, it should just be a fixed amount per setting?


Rob_W

1,070 posts

221 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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Why even per setting? The setting is only fan speed, there is no closed loop control to adjust how hard the a/c works, it's either on or off.

Adrian W

14,408 posts

235 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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sundance02 said:
M400DPC said:
Took the old girl for a blast this evening and forgot I had the air con blasting away on level 3. When I finally realised, I turned the AC off completely, hit the loud pedal and the increase in power was astonishing. Does anyone know roughly how much power the AC robs when you're giving it beans?
Makes a huge dif on any car, will drain 10%-15% of your power, and if you open the window that kills the air flow round the car in a Nob, so if you wanna go fast you just have to sweat.
So you reckon my aircon takes 90 bhp to run

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,809 posts

247 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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Adrian W said:
So you reckon my aircon takes 90 bhp to run
Adrian getting out of his car earlier:-


ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,809 posts

247 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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sundance02 said:
I reckon the nob will loose min 5% would you like a wager.
How much BHP does your car produce do you think?

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,809 posts

247 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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It really doesn't make it more interesting to be honest smile

Adrian W

14,408 posts

235 months

Monday 19th July 2010
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At 7000 rpm my aircon uses 15 bhp are you sure you are not quoting the figoura for a supercharger