Spec of standard GTO-3 Clutch ???????????????????
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leadboot said:
Does anyone know the exact specification of the standard GTO-3 clutch and where one could be sourced?
Are Noble trying to deliberately alienate current owners by being unable to supply basic but critical items?
Have you tried calling AP?? They supply the standard clutch, if they wont sell to you I suggest you call a dealer and ask them to order one...Are Noble trying to deliberately alienate current owners by being unable to supply basic but critical items?
alex s said:
Adrian W said:
Helix do a proven uprated clutch, and in a standard car proberbly unbreakable!
Have tried to get a price of them 3 times now Adrian, no call back and no information.Not impressed.
ps. got your car back yet?
Thanks for the input so far. A summary of my current understanding.
Helix clutch, though strong is not great for road use and stop start driving. Experience from anyone using a helix clutch around town would be very useful.
John Noble can't get the AP clutch from AP. They can only be sourced through the few main dealers.
The Main dealers don't hold a stock so have to get it from Noble.
Noble don't hold a stock either aren't interested in ordering from AP until they have built up a stack of orders (and therefore a stack of very unhappy customers)......and this is for a wear and tear item which will have Noble and the dealers mark up attached to it.
So we're being asked to pay over the odds for appalling service on a basic service part.
Would the factory like to comment?
Helix clutch, though strong is not great for road use and stop start driving. Experience from anyone using a helix clutch around town would be very useful.
John Noble can't get the AP clutch from AP. They can only be sourced through the few main dealers.
The Main dealers don't hold a stock so have to get it from Noble.
Noble don't hold a stock either aren't interested in ordering from AP until they have built up a stack of orders (and therefore a stack of very unhappy customers)......and this is for a wear and tear item which will have Noble and the dealers mark up attached to it.
So we're being asked to pay over the odds for appalling service on a basic service part.
Would the factory like to comment?
leadboot said:
Thanks for the input so far. A summary of my current understanding.
Helix clutch, though strong is not great for road use and stop start driving. Experience from anyone using a helix clutch around town would be very useful.
John Noble can't get the AP clutch from AP. They can only be sourced through the few main dealers.
The Main dealers don't hold a stock so have to get it from Noble.
Noble don't hold a stock either aren't interested in ordering from AP until they have built up a stack of orders (and therefore a stack of very unhappy customers)......and this is for a wear and tear item which will have Noble and the dealers mark up attached to it.
So we're being asked to pay over the odds for appalling service on a basic service part.
Would the factory like to comment?
That is not good. Helix clutch, though strong is not great for road use and stop start driving. Experience from anyone using a helix clutch around town would be very useful.
John Noble can't get the AP clutch from AP. They can only be sourced through the few main dealers.
The Main dealers don't hold a stock so have to get it from Noble.
Noble don't hold a stock either aren't interested in ordering from AP until they have built up a stack of orders (and therefore a stack of very unhappy customers)......and this is for a wear and tear item which will have Noble and the dealers mark up attached to it.
So we're being asked to pay over the odds for appalling service on a basic service part.
Would the factory like to comment?
Another option maybe is to contact 1G in the States, they also had a problem with supply from AP/Noble and now source their own clutches, might be worth giving them a call.
I usually speak to a guy called Tim Osgood there, helpful guy.
HTH
Alex
NobleGuy said:
What I can't understand is why AP won't sell direct? Do they have contracts with people to keep it all closed? If so, maybe finding an alternative is a better solution - no point in rewarding them for making our lives difficult.
Yes, they do have contracts which can actually harm sales I would say. For example, when I owned an Esprit Sport 350 I needed some new discs. They are AP discs but the bolt pattern is unique to Lotus. Lotus sell a pair for £1600+vat !! Come on, £1600 when a 'normal' pair of AP discs might be £300 or so. It turns out AP wont sell them to anyone, only to Lotus. So I had a pair made for around £350 or so and I know of several other Sport 350 owners who did the same. By charging a stupid amount of money it meant that a) Lotus lost sales, b) AP lost sales and c) the place that made them gained sales.Biggriff said:
I got round this with AP on the Tuscan as we went to AP and asked for the stuff by part number. No issues.
We also got Sachs to look at the TVR clutches and they also can source no problems.
Are you saying you just quoted a part number rather than telling them what the parts actually were, and they supplied it?We also got Sachs to look at the TVR clutches and they also can source no problems.
Yes we got parts from AP by quoting part numbers and went through the trade.
AP like a lot of parts manufacturers get fed up with companies not paying bills and holding control over supply.
The guy we dealt with said he couldn't sell us the parts with the TVR number but if we quoted xxxxxxxx then he could supply them, although in the end we agreed separate bells and discs would be better and the guy just took the factory disc and said he would find parts from their catalogue that matched and voila I got two piece discs on the Tuscan.
I could ask if he could do the same for Nobles, but I fear Rossion have beaten us to that if you have seen their two piece discs.
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=3183
AP like a lot of parts manufacturers get fed up with companies not paying bills and holding control over supply.
The guy we dealt with said he couldn't sell us the parts with the TVR number but if we quoted xxxxxxxx then he could supply them, although in the end we agreed separate bells and discs would be better and the guy just took the factory disc and said he would find parts from their catalogue that matched and voila I got two piece discs on the Tuscan.
I could ask if he could do the same for Nobles, but I fear Rossion have beaten us to that if you have seen their two piece discs.
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=3183
Biggriff said:
Yes we got parts from AP by quoting part numbers and went through the trade.
AP like a lot of parts manufacturers get fed up with companies not paying bills and holding control over supply.
The guy we dealt with said he couldn't sell us the parts with the TVR number but if we quoted xxxxxxxx then he could supply them, although in the end we agreed separate bells and discs would be better and the guy just took the factory disc and said he would find parts from their catalogue that matched and voila I got two piece discs on the Tuscan.
I could ask if he could do the same for Nobles, but I fear Rossion have beaten us to that if you have seen their two piece discs.
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=3183
Rossion are using a five stud hub set-up and so AP shouldn't get too upset about our "ask".AP like a lot of parts manufacturers get fed up with companies not paying bills and holding control over supply.
The guy we dealt with said he couldn't sell us the parts with the TVR number but if we quoted xxxxxxxx then he could supply them, although in the end we agreed separate bells and discs would be better and the guy just took the factory disc and said he would find parts from their catalogue that matched and voila I got two piece discs on the Tuscan.
I could ask if he could do the same for Nobles, but I fear Rossion have beaten us to that if you have seen their two piece discs.
http://www.nobleforums.com/showthread.php?t=3183
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