Anyone want to sell me some Nitrons?

[Mr Noble]

Thinking about making the change now my driving is up to scratch. I think a set would make a lovely difference to the cars on track ability.

There was a set on ebay a while back but I wasn't interested then.

Comments?

Whos running them? (i'm on about the ones that you can flick between a road and track setting.)

G

[alex s]

I have the Nitrons,been on the car for about 18months now. Would deffo recommend them greg(but to take full advantage you need sticky tyres)
I have the settings from Andy Glover(Andy Walsh did all the R&D on Andy's/Dan H's car)

Sorry, not selling them.

I know someone else is looking at getting them, group buy might drop the price abit...maybe post on nobleparts.co.uk

HTH

[Twerlie]

Mr Noble said:

Thinking about making the change now my driving is up to scratch.
G

I think you need some more lessons first, from the GIRL who beat you in the MX5 challange at Fighting Torque!

[obes]

I'm about to buy mate, so count me in

[Twerlie]

obes said:

I'm about to buy mate, so count me in

How much are we talking Owen? Anyone tried Intrax shocks as they are supposed to be much better than Nitrons? (if set-up correctly)!

[Mr Noble]

The nice thing about the Nitrons is that they are cheap and work well. Also very easy to switch from road to track mode, just a twist on top of each one. The other types are much easier to get setup wrong and my simple mind couldn't be bothered with all that tinkering.


Shall we have a show of hands for those who want a set? I'll see if we can get a group discount. Think about sending it to Plans for them to fit and set up the camber, toe-in and geo etc. (then try a lap of the TG track )

[alex s]

Twerlie said:

obes said:

I'm about to buy mate, so count me in

How much are we talking Owen? Anyone tried Intrax shocks as they are supposed to be much better than Nitrons? (if set-up correctly)!

Around a grand.

Greg, camber is not adjustable unless you machine the uprights.
Corner weighting is well worth getting done at the same time.

[obes]

Ah, I was going to go for the two-way - about £1400 IIRC

[Mr Noble]

obes said:

Ah, I was going to go for the two-way - about £1400 IIRC

Don't you need to be really clever to understand how to adjust those correctly?

What benifit do they have over the one way adjs?

G

[obes]

Twerlie said:

obes said:

I'm about to buy mate, so count me in

How much are we talking Owen? Anyone tried Intrax shocks as they are supposed to be much better than Nitrons? (if set-up correctly)!

How do you mean by better mate ?
Is it a reliability thing ?
Nitrons/ohlins have historically been the ones that folks have put on Nobles as they do a Noble 'kit' to go straight on..

[obes]

Mr Noble said:

obes said:

Ah, I was going to go for the two-way - about £1400 IIRC

Don't you need to be really clever to understand how to adjust those correctly?

What benifit do they have over the one way adjs?

G

I am really clever !

[Twerlie]

obes said:

Twerlie said:

obes said:

I'm about to buy mate, so count me in

How much are we talking Owen? Anyone tried Intrax shocks as they are supposed to be much better than Nitrons? (if set-up correctly)!

How do you mean by better mate ?
Is it a reliability thing ?
Nitrons/ohlins have historically been the ones that folks have put on Nobles as they do a Noble 'kit' to go straight on..

I was told they could be set up more accurately for rebound than the Nitrons? Paul at Austec recommended them to me when i had my TVR! He said most people upgraded to Intrax after using Nitrons!

I'm sure they are all very good as long as they are set-up correctly. Lee spent a long time setting up the M400, so the Nitrons/Ohlins etc would have to be well sorted to be an improvement! IMHO

[DanH]

Intrax make decent dampers, but the main thing is that they are properly setup for the car (e.g. correct valving and length(!)). That work has already been done by Walshy with nitrons, has anyone done it with intrax?

Greg you know what I think about this idea! It puts a lot of extra load on suspension components, you'll find you really want to change the geo to work with the suspension and you'll also find you want ARBs. I wouldn't get too hung up on suspension and sticky tyres on a Noble its just so much effort to get right.

[Adrian W]

You should talk to these people www.blackartdesigns.com then you get compression/rebound/damping and seperate hight adjustment lots af race teams use them.





And they did a one off set for my Renault

Edited by Adrian W on Wednesday 29th August 15:04

[alex s]

I dont get this forum sometimes.
The nitrons were developed for the Noble, in conjuction with an ex formula one test driver (walshy) are a reasonable cost, and have been used on several cars with great results.
Then all people do is suggest more expensive, and untested options ( who probably have never been in a Noble with the Nitrons)
I just dont get it.....

Rant over. (not a dig at anyone in particular)

Alex

[Adrian W]

alex s said:

I dont get this forum sometimes.
The nitrons were developed for the Noble, in conjuction with an ex formula one test driver (walshy) are a reasonable cost, and have been used on several cars with great results.
Then all people do is suggest more expensive, and untested options ( who probably have never been in a Noble with the Nitrons)
I just dont get it.....

Rant over. (not a dig at anyone in particular)

Alex

I think it's because things move on and improve. I thought the Nitrons were developed for Lotus's

[Twerlie]

alex s said:

I dont get this forum sometimes.
The nitrons were developed for the Noble, in conjuction with an ex formula one test driver (walshy) are a reasonable cost, and have been used on several cars with great results.
Then all people do is suggest more expensive, and untested options ( who probably have never been in a Noble with the Nitrons)
I just dont get it.....

Rant over. (not a dig at anyone in particular)

Alex

Ok!.....how much harder is the ride over standard M12 shocks? And which Nitrons would you suggest?

[alex s]

Twerlie said:

alex s said:

I dont get this forum sometimes.
The nitrons were developed for the Noble, in conjuction with an ex formula one test driver (walshy) are a reasonable cost, and have been used on several cars with great results.
Then all people do is suggest more expensive, and untested options ( who probably have never been in a Noble with the Nitrons)
I just dont get it.....

Rant over. (not a dig at anyone in particular)

Alex

Ok!.....how much harder is the ride over standard M12 shocks? And which Nitrons would you suggest?

For ocasional track days and the rest road use, I would suggest the one way adjustable...when set for road use they are very close to the standard suspension. It takes about 30 seconds to change the damper settings more suitable for track use.
Natham also had them fitted to his Noble.
If you are going to track the car a lot and possibly race, I would say it would be worth the extra for one of the other options..ohlins or the ones you and adrian suggested.etc.
I am not having a dig, but fitting 2 or more way adjustable shocks (and having them set up correctly) seems like total overkill (and a LOT more expensive)for a car that sees the track (in Gregs case) what, 5 times a year.
The money saved would be better spent on other things
1) having the uprights machined and the camber sorted (have heard from sereval people this makes a big improvement in handling and grip)
2)A harness (proper 5 or 6 point 3" wide ones)that wouldnt break your collar bones in a big front end impact, or worse case you just submarine under it.
This IMO would be a better route.
HTH
Alex.

[obes]

have you got any fillings ? !
...you won't have !!!!

AFAIK, the single way adjustibles are pretty good all round for mainly road and occasional trackdays. Easy one click adjust. The two ways witht the remote res's are more advanced with more options and adjustments if your thinking of going racing. The three ways are more complicated than the space shuttle so I guess thery're really just for racers...and more to the point for races with the time and experience around them to set up per track etc.

[DanH]

Or just appreciate the car for what it is and not dick around with the suspension ?! Although the nitrons are good, they do highlight other deficiencies with the nobles non-adjustable setup and lack of ARBs (if you don't have an m400). Hard suspension also puts a lot of extra load through the car and I'd argue thats asking for trouble as I don't really think it was engineered with that in mind. All great fun until an upright breaks...

As to the multiway adjustable. I'd never experienced a truely badly setup car until I bought my BMW track machine with 3-way adjustable AST remote-res dampers with the adjusters set as the last owner had left them. Unless you are a race driver who can consistently lap within a tenth then how will you set the car up? It took Walshy multiple days with the noble and he still found he couldn't get the car quite how he wanted it, and I dare say an ideal setup for a chap like him isn't necessarily right for the rest of us anyway. The guy who setup some aftermarket suspension for the 911 RS spent 2 years fettling it until he was happy... Still, if you want to take it on yourself no problem, but it may end up riding like my BMW currently does, which is to convert every bump into 3! (I'm thinking it doesn't have enough rebound, and maybe too much fast bump)

p.s. on the plus side, at least my BMW stuff should have the correct valving as it was developed for the car at the ring apparently. If you buy off the shelf dampers not setup for the car, even that won't be done.