Tyre pressures
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Bugs M400

Original Poster:

112 posts

245 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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After a particularly tail happy journey the other week in the pouring rain, I've started playing around with tyre pressures.

Out of interest, what is everyone running on their 400s?

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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20/30

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NobleSteed

94 posts

253 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Yep 20/30. Must admit My previous car GTO3R on Bridgestones was definately better in the wet than the M400
Regards

Richard

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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NobleSteed said:
Yep 20/30. Must admit My previous car GTO3R on Bridgestones was definately better in the wet than the M400
Regards
Richard
Given the Corsa's have about 5% of the tread, that's not that surprising....

V6GTO

11,579 posts

271 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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Don't say that...I've just put Corsas on my 3R.

Martin.

adrian w

15,458 posts

257 months

Friday 1st September 2006
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V6GTO said:
Don't say that...I've just put Corsas on my 3R.

Martin.


Corsa's are fine in the wet provided they're warm, when cold they're dangerus

mr noble

6,538 posts

262 months

Saturday 2nd September 2006
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SO3's are damn dangerous in the cold. On the last Noble day at Brands, I left the hotel next door to get fuel and shot sideways across 3 lanes of traffic with no control!! eek it was minus 10 and I had no grip at all, all the way there and back.

I pooped my panties!!

G

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Saturday 2nd September 2006
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V6GTO said:
Don't say that...I've just put Corsas on my 3R.
Martin.
Just take it easy when it rains and be smooth and you'll be fine. They aren't dangerous, infact when new with >5mm of tread they are pretty dam good (I've driven them in snow up hills without any issues). However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise the tread is much less than SO3s, and as such there is a greater chance of aquaplaning.

A quick google gave this explination which explains it rather well

A bloke called brewnog on another forum said:
As a tyre rolls over wet tarmac, a 'wedge' of water forms in front of the tyre. If the tyre rises up on this wedge, contact between the tarmac and rubber is broken, and aquaplaning occurs. By breaking up the surface of the tyre such that there are channels for this water wedge to infiltrate, the tyre is less prone to rising up on the wedge. For a similar reason, (like-for-like) narrow tyres perform better in very wet conditions, - the tyre is less prone to 'floating' up onto the wedge of water.

More detail: Circumferential grooves (going 'around' the tyre) act as channels to drain the wedge, and to some extent, store this water. Lateral grooves, - going side-to-side across the width of the tyre - drain this water from the circumferential 'grooves' to the tyre edges. At 100km/h, an average tyre in average rain needs to shift something like 6 litres of water per second to maintain contact. New wet tyres have massive grooves in the centres which can displace huge amounts of water, - something like 10 litres per second, but these wear very quickly in the dry. Circumferential 'ribs' provide contact zones, particularly for cornering. Small, shallow dimples around the shoulders of the tyre increase surface area to allow for more efficient cooling. Sometimes a 'void ratio' is specified, which quantifies the amount of non contact/ contact area across the width of the tyre, - for a slick tyre this ratio will be 0%, for an off-road mud or snow tyre this will be much higher, perhaps 40%?

More detail still: Tread patterns vary for a number of reasons. Simple block-shaped treads fundamentally work well in muddy and wet conditions, but are prone to rapid wear of the front and back of the block on dry tarmac. Regularly spaced grooves are avoided because they set up harmonics which can cause hefty vibrations.

Finally, asymmetrical tyres will have more large blocks on the outside for cornering stability, and smaller blocks on the inside for heat dissipation and water displacement.


J