M12 Engines

[jonwat]

I hear Noble are to start fitting a three litre engine to the M12 , anyone know what make it is & why?

[m12wastegate]

Rumour is 3.0L version of Duratech, reason because supply of 2.5L drying up.

[JonRB]

Will there be more power, or will they just turn the boost down a little to keep it the same as current?

Presumably low-down torque will be improved by the extra capacity?

[martvr]

It's still a Duratec (sp) and they're changing over because the 2.5 litre is no longer available. The 3 litre version will be nominally the same bhp and torque as the outgoing engine though, perhaps mainly because the gearbox is the limiting factor.

[Podie]

Not sure what the current spec of the M12 engine is... but AFAIK Ford are not stopping production of a 2.5 V6 - we stick them into the Mondeo Zetec-S.

Might be worth digging out the specs of the Mondeo ST220 since that's the 3.0 V6 DuraTec...

[markqelise]

Was told by a certain source that its a 3L Jag engine which will be using lower boost on the same turbo's - Think I'll be turning my boost backup then.

[adeewuff]

quote:
Might be worth digging out the specs of the Mondeo ST220 since that's the 3.0 V6 DuraTec...

The 2.5l V6 in a Mondeo develops 170bhp where as in the Jag X-Type it develops 193bhp. The 3.0 V6 develops 226bhp and 275Nm of torque.

I would say another 30% more power out of the Noble engine is not an unrealistic possibility.

[JonRB]

quote:The 3.0 V6 develops 226bhp and 275Nm of torque.

"There's no beating cubes", as the saying goes. I'd rather see a larger capacity engine with lower boost than a smaller one with higher boost.

Of course, the capacity of the former and the boost of the latter would be even better.

[m12wastegate]

I'd rather see that too, as long as its in my car!

[marky mark]

The motor show might be an interesting place for those speculating on the new 3 for the m12, which rumour has has about 53% more poke than the 226bhp jag and it weighs less than the 2.5!

[M12_Nathan]

marky mark said: The motor show might be an interesting place for those speculating on the new 3 for the m12, which rumour has has about 53% more poke than the 226bhp jag and it weighs less than the 2.5!

And the price is going up by 3k

[joust]

M12_Nathan said:
And the price is going up by 3k

From what I know there is to be a retro fit option for the first (series I????) cars to make the power figure the same.

Not sure I'll bother 310bhp/310lbf scared the living daylights out of me in the wet yesterday - getting wheel spin in 2nd *and* 3rd without even trying wasn't much fun on twisty country lanes....

J

[Podie]

Podie said: Not sure what the current spec of the M12 engine is... but AFAIK Ford are not stopping production of a 2.5 V6 - we stick them into the Mondeo Zetec-S.

Might be worth digging out the specs of the Mondeo ST220 since that's the 3.0 V6 DuraTec...

See here - as I hinted then.