In Deutschland zugelassene Noble M12?

[GO LEO]

German title to attract attention of all German users out there... Rest in English so the entire community can unterstand.

I seek contact and exchange with people who have already managed to road-register a Noble M12 (ideally 3 or 3R) in Germany, who know details about how road-registration has been accomplished, know a source for a copy of a registration certificate (Zulassungsbescheinigung), data sheet für TÜV or have any other helpful advice which can help me to obtain a road-registration.

I am prepared to pay for documents that lead to TÜV registration = share cost which owners of road-registered Nobles might have had in the past to obtain their TÜV approval.

Danke für Eure Antworten,

Leo

[Thomthom]

I do not know exactly the German approval but it 'll do biento 2.5 years that I try to do mine in France

there are a lot of modificaton at the engine and part lightings

technically europeans rules are applied everywhere

I still have the managements of charge noise settled


thomas

[PrinceofWheels]

Sorry this is not exactly what you have asked for but it may help a little.
I have registered two UK RHD cars in Baden Wurtemburg, Germany.

First thing was to obtain a copy of the CoC for the car if you do not already have one. (Dealer or manufactureer can supply).
You will then need to change any UK specific parts for the European spec. This includes if you have only one rear fog light it will need to be fitted to the opposite side. Headlights obviously. Some such as my Z4 have a lever on the back of the headlight unit which flicks them from RHD to LHD, Xenons I believe are ok as they are flat pattern, others will require you to fit new/used LHD units.

Any non original parts fitted (wheels, body kit, exhaust, suspension components, brakes etc) will need to be TUV certified and a copy of the relevant approval certificate should accompany the CoC.

Take all the paperwork to the TUV test centre where the HU/AU certificate can be issued on the VIN number.

Normally you would also need to get a document from the Zulasungstelle that allows them to check/confirm with Flensberg that the car is clear of bad history. In some regions this can take up to 14 days but my local office did it over the phone while I waited and cost I think 14 Euros.

Take all the above plus the cars log book, the uk number plates your passport, driving licence and a copy of proof of residence (the one you got from the Rathouse when you registered here).

When they confirm that all is in order, choose a registration number and have the plates made up while they complete the paperwork.

Sounds a lot but was actually quick and straight forward on the day.

Sorry it is not Noble specific but as there are few responses I thought you may be able to work out what you need to do from the above.

Good luck

Neil

[v8yes]

Leo YHM

[GO LEO]

Thanks for your replies, guys.
The question is indeed a Noble specific one. I have successfully imported and registered a TVR Cerbera in Germany a couple of years ago. So principles are clear, this question is really about data sheets, especially regarding emission and noise, for an M12 with the 3 litre engine.

I have managed to get in contact with someone in the meantime, looks promising. Have made a downpayment on the car as well, so no way back anyway 😅😅

Will keep you updated on my progress.

Cheers, Leo

[YellowShed]

The Nobles were never homologated to EU (TUV) standards so there are no documents for that. The only emissions that the cars had to meet were the MoT type tailpipe emissions at the SVA test. Same for the noise, no drive-by, only a static noise check. UK-only type approval. I didn't know that the Cerbera ever achieved EU homologation either, but there you are.

Good luck,

YellowShed

[GO LEO]

That's correct, Yellowshed. The only two ways to get one of these exotic cars licensed in Germany is to either go through a rather painstaking series of technical assessments which might or might not lead to a positive judgement but which will surely rip a huge hole into your wallet. Or you find someone who has already gone through this process and owns (the owner) or stores (TÜV = MOT) all the documents required. If you are lucky and they consider your car to be sufficiently similar than the one already tested (same model, engine, year,...) then the TÜV will accept this paperwork and spare you from technical tests. Only thing then required is still a single type approval (Parargraph 21) but based on the existing data from the other car.

Quite complicated and probably the reason why so few of these nice cars really make the way into Germany.
Also my Cerbera had to be treated this way. But because there were already a dozen or so Cerbies in Germany when I imported mine in 2010 finding an owner and a cooperative MOT engineer wasn't that difficult.

I meanwhile believe that there are no more than maybe 3 or 4 registered Nobles in the country.
I know more next week and will keep you updated.

Cheers, Leo

[TomM12]

Hallo Leo,

bist du noch aktiv im Forum und hast du deinen M12 noch? Wüde gerne mit dir in Kontakt kommen. Melde dich doch mal bei mir wenn du die Nachricht erhalten solltest.

Grüße Tom

[Skorpion427]

If you have a homologated car road registered in another EU country, Germany has to allow it on the road. Before Brexit it was possible to do this, not sure if new import from UK to EU for Nobles is still doable. FYI, I have one M12 3.0 for sale which has a Belgian homologation which is valid in Germany.