Post turbo water cooler

Post turbo water cooler

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Adrian W

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14,414 posts

235 months

Thursday 3rd July 2014
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I'm fed up with super heated water and steam being pumped into the header tank, the Turbo cooling really is a crap design, so I came up with this, should reduce overall water temps nicely.

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Edited by Adrian W on Thursday 3rd July 21:46

steveobes

631 posts

186 months

Thursday 3rd July 2014
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That is a great mod,same with mine, after shutting down you can hear the heated water
in the turbo water pipes, which cant be a good thing.
could you post up what size rad you put in.
maybe I can put a electric water pump to run the water round the rad for a while
aftr shutting down
great mod

tonyvan

909 posts

215 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Very similar set up to wot I did Adrian .

Adrian W

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14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Hi Steve, I tried to source a standard radiator but couldn't, the closest one was a Rotax Max cart rad but had a cap, I drew this one and got Pro-Alloy to make it. An electric pump will be difficult unless you propose to circulate the whole cooling system, then the issue would be finding a convenient place to put it that wouldn't interfere with normal running, I think this will be effective and the best compromise.

chuntington101

5,733 posts

243 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Is this totally separating the turbo water from the engine water?

anonymous-user

61 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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I wouldn't bother with the extra rad (as all that does is to mean the main water radiator at the front of the car is doing less work) but just add a small run-on electric pump in the turbo water feed line. Use a timer relay to keep that running for say 1min after key-off and your done! ;-)

anonymous-user

61 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Adrian W said:
Max_Torque said:
I wouldn't bother with the extra rad (as all that does is to mean the main water radiator at the front of the car is doing less work) but just add a small run-on electric pump in the turbo water feed line. Use a timer relay to keep that running for say 1min after key-off and your done! ;-)
Either you didn't read my first post or you are just talking rubbish,

Thinking about it, have you ever actually looked at a Noble?
Does "having looked at a Noble" change the laws of physics then?

Adrian W

Original Poster:

14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Max_Torque said:
Does "having looked at a Noble" change the laws of physics then?
Go on, if you really want to look foolish,

SwankBaton

763 posts

179 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Adrian W said:
Go on, if you really want to look foolish,
Please go on, what wrong with an electic pump plumbed into the existing system. I do have Noble if that helps!

Adrian W

Original Poster:

14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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swankBaton said:
Please go on, what wrong with an electic pump plumbed into the existing system. I do have Noble if that helps!
If that was aimed at me I'm confused, if it was, I pretty much answered that question in an earlier post

Hollowpockets

5,908 posts

223 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Looks great Adrian,

Keep the drawings on file, I may end up doing the same to my car over winter, what we also need is an oil cooler for the turbo's before it returns to the sump!!! wink

Not sure why anyone would want to add an additional pump to the system, 1. something else to break/leak or cause a restriction when not in use 2. the engines current pump will work fine.

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Adrian W

Original Poster:

14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Hollowpockets said:
Looks great Adrian,

Keep the drawings on file, I may end up doing the same to my car over winter, what we also need is an oil cooler for the turbo's before it returns to the sump!!! wink

Not sure why anyone would want to add an additional pump to the system, 1. something else to break/leak or cause a restriction when not in use 2. the engines current pump will work fine.

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Hi Graham, Pro alloy have the drawings now, I reckon fitting will take less than an hour. With any luck it should do away with the need for a catch tank on track.

GTO600

1,877 posts

258 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Hi Adrain, were you in OZ when you took the pics biglaugh

I'm in the pump camp I'm afraid & know exactly how l want to do it & where / how to best plumb it in but haven't got round to finding the right pump etc so hats off for developing another solution thumbup

951

614 posts

162 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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GTO600 said:
I'm in the pump camp I'm afraid & know exactly how l want to do it & where / how to best plumb it in but haven't got round to finding the right pump etc so hats off for developing another solution thumbup
+1.

Surely, the problem you seek to address, Adrian, is caused by coolant sitting in the turbo water jackets after the engine has shut down and getting boiled.

The extra rad may dissipate some of the heat from the water/steam but isn't really addressing the root cause of the problem without also getting some extra flow in the system?

A small electric pump to move the water with a timer/temp switch is surely the answer, if you can sort the plumbing out? The pump doesn't want to run when the engine is running and so needs to be in a bypass pipe of course.

That's the way my elderly Porsche is set up and it works perfectly. The pump is tiny, no bigger than a screen washer pump, but so is the pipework to circulate the coolant.

smile

Adrian W

Original Poster:

14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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GTO600 said:
Hi Adrain, were you in OZ when you took the pics biglaugh

I'm in the pump camp I'm afraid & know exactly how l want to do it & where / how to best plumb it in but haven't got round to finding the right pump etc so hats off for developing another solution thumbup
Hi Kevin, they are all the right way up in pbucket, every time I log on here they change.
The cooler isn't to cool while the car is cooling down, it's to cool the super heated water before it goes back into the main system, on track mine can pump steam back into the header tank, I've seen other cars doing it as well.

mgbond

6,749 posts

239 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Yeah, I think a few people have got confused with what Adrian is talking about.

I think the turbo water return goes into the header tank and that's the issue. He wants to cool this super heated water before it goes back into the system.

Is that right Adrian?

tonyvan

909 posts

215 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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im with Adrian on this one.
i designed and tested a system over 10 years ago, back in the cosworth day.i should have been flattered when the company ( a very big core manufacturer in the uk) who were making my radiator cores, copied my idea.shame as mine was featured in two ford magazines months before they tried to launch their product. idea mine was independantly tested and data logged on a cosworth and an rs turbo showing significantly lowering water temps after exiting the turbo..
the rad/s im using on my noble are not only super efficient ,but quite cheap in comparison to some out there.
this was a mod i was going to do when i first got my car over 5 years ago, but got side tracked with all the other mods and carbon fetish.
it works and works well.
just my pennys worth!!!

anonymous-user

61 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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So, i guess there is no chance you lot are going to actually sit down and work out why you are all talking what is, i'm afraid, bo**ocks?? ;-)

chuntington101

5,733 posts

243 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Surely the simplistic solution is to fit turbos that aren't water cooled..... I'll get my coat. smile

Adrian W

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14,414 posts

235 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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chuntington101 said:
Surely the simplistic solution is to fit turbos that aren't water cooled..... I'll get my coat. smile
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/sites/default/files/Garrett_White_Paper_01_Water_Cooling.pdf