M12 Production

[cc8s]

Does anyone know a breakdown of M12 production into GTO, GTO3 and GTO 3R?

[Gadgeroonie]

M12 GTO - 2.5 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box
M12 GTO3 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box (some 6 speed)
M12 GTO3R - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box (some 5 speed) smooth light covers and more sound proofing
M400 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box - no front splitter, harder suspension, oil cooler, bigger turbo's, side scoops, internal oil pressure and temp gauge

M12 GTO - at a guess about 100 made
m12 GTO3/R a few hundred made
M400 i think 75 made

does that help ?

[paul3R]

Reading through old threads I'm pretty sure 165 3 R's were made and 75 M400's.
Where I'm a bit conflicted is the information that 220 3R's and M400's were imported into the US which would make no sense of there being just 20 left from the combined 240 and then you have to consider imported Nobles to Europe. Unless this figure is either inaccurate which I have read on two or three different websites or not included in the production run, meaning 240 UK/europe + 220 USA for a total of 460 3R's/M400's. Or the last option is that there are just a few in the UK and Europe which although rare anyway I don't think the latter is the case but the initial figure posted of 240 seems to be accurate according to old threads.

[mgbond]

M12 GTO - 2.5 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box Exhaust exited out of floor
M12 GTO3 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box (some 6 speed) LSD Option
M12 GTO3R - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box (some 5 speed) smooth light covers and more sound proofing, LSD STD
M400 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box - no front splitter, harder suspension, oil cooler, bigger turbo's, side scoops, internal oil pressure and temp gauge LSD STD

M12 GTO - at a guess about 100 made
m12 GTO3/R a few hundred made
M400 i think 75 made

does that help ?

Just some extras added in

[alex s]

M12 GTO - 2.5 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box Exhaust exited out of floor
M12 GTO3 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 5 speed box (some 6 speed) LSD Option
M12 GTO3R - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box (some 5 speed) smooth light covers and more sound proofing, LSD STD
M400 - 3.0 v6 twin turbo 6 speed box - no front splitter, harder suspension, oil cooler, bigger turbo's, side scoops, internal oil pressure and temp gauge LSD STD forged pistons, upgraded gear linkage, better turning circle, different seats, narrower center tunnel

M12 GTO - at a guess about 100 made
m12 GTO3/R a few hundred made
M400 i think 75 made

does that help ?

Just some extras added

Edited by alex s on Monday 30th January 20:19

[mgbond]

Are you sure the M400 had forged pistons. Thought the difference was the cam position or something like that. Internals I thought were the same?

[daddysumo]

mgbond said:

Are you sure the M400 had forged pistons. Thought the difference was the cam position or something like that. Internals I thought were the same?

Yep they did...

[Gadgeroonie]

M400 had anti roll bar fitted also (plenty have removed it)

[paul3R]

Could you fellas try and clarify something please. Is the information that I have read that I put in my post above inaccurate or is there really that few 3R's and M400's in the UK? If production run was 165 for the 3R and 75 for the M400 are you counting the 220 US cars? Cheers.

[Gadgeroonie]

i guess there must be approx 500 cars in total

[sean j g]

i was under the impression that 700-800 cars were produced in total in the uk between 2000-2006 i also thought that a max of 200 cars were allowed per year?but i may be wrong!!!!

[Gadgeroonie]

yes - but not all of them are still around

many of them are not registered any longer

we think about 500 cars that are taxed and road usable

[cc8s]

Are the original M12 GTO really that common? I thought the GTO 3 took over pretty quickly.

So worldwide M400 production is 75??

Thanks for the input!

[XLRONYX]

cc8s said:

So worldwide M400 production is 75??

That can't be right, can it? Of the 220-ish US Nobles, I'm guessing the number of M400s must be 75 or more.

Jeff

[node]

cc8s said:

So worldwide M400 production is 75??

nope, only 75 UK RHD M400s were built under Lee Noble.

Then 1G Racing in America bought the rights to the cars and produced (im not sure how many) around 150 M400s and only a few 3R models.These were all LHD and in addition, had slight differences to the original UK cars.

[sunoco69]

So if that is correct that they made & sold (in UK)165 3R's and 75 M400's it begs the obviuos question of how many are left on the road and how rare are our cars actually getting?
Anyone have any ideas on how we can find out?

[AMG Merc]

sunoco69 said:

Anyone have any ideas on how we can find out?

DVLA
MIB (Motor Insurer's Database)
Noble Automotive
Lee Noble

[Daisy Duke]

sunoco69 said:

So if that is correct that they made & sold (in UK)165 3R's and 75 M400's it begs the obviuos question of how many are left on the road and how rare are our cars actually getting?
Anyone have any ideas on how we can find out?

Correct, plus 201 GTOs, split AFAIK into 85 2.5s and 116 3.0s. There's 240 Nobles in the US and approximately 60 Rossions too. From my investigations for the Register I've accounted for approximately 90% of the non US ones, although only half have been entered so far as I'm reticent to do so until I'm sure I don't have duplicates. Of course if everyone was helpful and let me know what their build number was (and thanks to all those who have been), I could soon confirm my information.

[AMG Merc]

Daisy Duke said:

Of course if everyone was helpful and let me know what their build number was (and thanks to all those who have been), I could soon confirm my information.

So Daisy, how would you like us to help? We could resend all info as before but then you'd be bombarded.

[Daisy Duke]

AMG Merc said:

So Daisy, how would you like us to help? We could resend all info as before but then you'd be bombarded.

If every current (and ex) Noble owner on here could check the register and, should their car be missing (or the information I have on it is incorrect), let me know, I'd be very grateful . Although obviously other information would be useful, what I really need to know is the build no for each car, as this is the only way I can be sure that each is unique. Currently I have a large number of entries in my pending file, where I list all the cars I know of, but I can't be sure that the car I have entered for any given owner isn't the same car as one that I have as possibly belonging to another, particularly as it's not always obvious that a car has changed hands.

Don't worry about me being bombarded, it'll be a piece of cake compared to having to scour various sources for information. As you know, I have the details for your car Rob (thanks again), please just let me know when you sell it (if you can bear to).