2015 Volvo V70 vs 2015 Jaguar XF
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Hi all
I'm on the lookout for a new diesel estate.. one to last many a year by all accounts. Has anyone had any experience with either of these two? There is a stigma with Jaguar but the 2.2 diesel is supposed to be extremely reliable (not sure about the rest of the car). The Volvo apparently has real problems with piston rings and EGR valves but I can't work out what engines in the V70 line are affected.
Any help or opinions appreciated.
I'm on the lookout for a new diesel estate.. one to last many a year by all accounts. Has anyone had any experience with either of these two? There is a stigma with Jaguar but the 2.2 diesel is supposed to be extremely reliable (not sure about the rest of the car). The Volvo apparently has real problems with piston rings and EGR valves but I can't work out what engines in the V70 line are affected.
Any help or opinions appreciated.
The Jaguar is a vastly superior car to the V70 to drive. NVH is much better, ride is better (a weak point for the V70), far more enjoyable to drive. The XF also gets a much better and more robust ZF gearbox vs the mediocre AW in the V70.
The only advantage the V70 has over the 2.2d XF is the 2.2 is a horrid van engine and the D5, particularly the late twin turbo one, is very good. Get a 3.0d XF and that vanishes too. There are four cylinder V70s, Ford engines and late ones got the Volvo VEA engines, which are to be avoided.
The Volvos have their fans but they're more Mondeo+1 than a proper E segment exec like the XF. The V70 really was barely OK in 2006 at launch and was a very dated car by the end. They will do huge miles and last, but they do like to throw the odd £1k-£2k bill.
The only advantage the V70 has over the 2.2d XF is the 2.2 is a horrid van engine and the D5, particularly the late twin turbo one, is very good. Get a 3.0d XF and that vanishes too. There are four cylinder V70s, Ford engines and late ones got the Volvo VEA engines, which are to be avoided.
The Volvos have their fans but they're more Mondeo+1 than a proper E segment exec like the XF. The V70 really was barely OK in 2006 at launch and was a very dated car by the end. They will do huge miles and last, but they do like to throw the odd £1k-£2k bill.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 18th March 14:34
GeniusOfLove said:
The Jaguar is a vastly superior car to the V70 to drive. NVH is much better, ride is better (a weak point for the V70), far more enjoyable to drive. The XF also gets a much better and more robust ZF gearbox vs the mediocre AW in the V70.
The only advantage the V70 has over the 2.2d XF is the 2.2 is a horrid van engine and the D5, particularly the late twin turbo one, is very good. Get a 3.0d XF and that vanishes too. There are four cylinder V70s, Ford engines and late ones got the Volvo VEA engines, which are to be avoided.
The Volvos have their fans but they're more Mondeo+1 than a proper E segment exec like the XF. The V70 really was barely OK in 2006 at launch and was a very dated car by the end. They will do huge miles and last, but they do like to throw the odd £1k-£2k bill.
Great information thanks for that! I guess one of the things that edged me towards the V70 was the economy is brilliant.. although Jag state you'll get 56mpg on average with the 2.2, I'm hearing that it's more like 40mpg and the 3.0d is even worse! The only advantage the V70 has over the 2.2d XF is the 2.2 is a horrid van engine and the D5, particularly the late twin turbo one, is very good. Get a 3.0d XF and that vanishes too. There are four cylinder V70s, Ford engines and late ones got the Volvo VEA engines, which are to be avoided.
The Volvos have their fans but they're more Mondeo+1 than a proper E segment exec like the XF. The V70 really was barely OK in 2006 at launch and was a very dated car by the end. They will do huge miles and last, but they do like to throw the odd £1k-£2k bill.
Edited by GeniusOfLove on Tuesday 18th March 14:34
I have heard the V70 is like driving a bus around re the steering.. but it is quite understated and has a bit of an appeal. I do feel like the Jag would be very delicate. Scared every time you turned the key incase you get an EML or something... or am I way off here?
Micholas said:
Great information thanks for that! I guess one of the things that edged me towards the V70 was the economy is brilliant.. although Jag state you'll get 56mpg on average with the 2.2, I'm hearing that it's more like 40mpg and the 3.0d is even worse!
I have heard the V70 is like driving a bus around re the steering.. but it is quite understated and has a bit of an appeal. I do feel like the Jag would be very delicate. Scared every time you turned the key incase you get an EML or something... or am I way off here?
You hear horror stories for everything, but the late Ford era Jaguars were good cars with decent build quality and reliability. I've heard horror stories of V70 ownership too, there is always luck with any used car purchase but I'd not consider either of those to be any more or less risky than the other. I have heard the V70 is like driving a bus around re the steering.. but it is quite understated and has a bit of an appeal. I do feel like the Jag would be very delicate. Scared every time you turned the key incase you get an EML or something... or am I way off here?
The V70 is indeed quite "old school" big car to drive, but what frustrated me is like all Volvos the rather leaden dynamics are skillfully blended with pretty poor ride quality so you're giving up all driver engagement for nothing in return. It's a shame because it's a car I really wanted to like, went in to buy a brand new one in 2015/16 with my ex wife and ended up with an XC60 D5 AWD instead.
Like all these fanciful economy claims it'll really depend on the driver and usage, I could hit book in a 3.0d Jaguar but it took restraint and lots of free flowing driving. I'd not expect much difference between a 200bhp D5 and a 200bhp 2.2d in reality.
The 3.0d Jaguar engine is more likely to give you headaches than the 2.2d because it's more complex, but I see plenty at moon miles and they don't seem to crap themselves in Jaguars all the time like they do in Land Rovers.
I was looking at say the D3's or D4's but yeah I'm guessing they're going to be pretty gutless. I've heard from a couple of XF owners, one said he's spent a fotune the last couple of years on alternators and light clusters etc etc.. and the other said they've only done servicing! Goes to show it's all down to luck of the draw! Will I get a pig, or won't I!
If you're looking at a 2015 V70, then you're only a year away from the V90, a vastly superior and modern car in a lot of ways (no Mondeo here).
I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
Mammasaid said:
If you're looking at a 2015 V70, then you're only a year away from the V90, a vastly superior and modern car in a lot of ways (no Mondeo here).
I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
Wow they have got cheap. As you say much superior car.I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
Mammasaid said:
If you're looking at a 2015 V70, then you're only a year away from the V90, a vastly superior and modern car in a lot of ways (no Mondeo here).
I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
Great looking car, but I think 180k miles probably means I can't keep it for the many years ahead I hadn't realised they'd got so cheap either, high mileage, but doesn't show it.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202502219...
GeniusOfLove said:
D3 and D4 are 2 litre 5 pots up until 2014/15 and very nice engines, 150bhp and 180bhp odd I think. The D4 certainly would be adequate if no ball of fire.
Later D3 and D4 are 2 litre four pot VEA engines that could be troublesome in their earlier iterations.
Interesting, at least I know what engine to be looking for now... unless a decent XF comes up in the meantimeLater D3 and D4 are 2 litre four pot VEA engines that could be troublesome in their earlier iterations.
Micholas said:
Mammasaid said:
What's your budget then?
Approx £10k? I can get a fairly low 70-80k-ish mile XF/V70 for that. However, look at the colour combo on this one!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501178...
The Jaguar every time as opposed to the Volvo. Like many others have said go for the 3.0 Litre and based on my ownership experience early to mid 40’s mpg is the norm.
Whilst not the most dynamic of drives, they are great for covering long distances. Ensure you get one with a full history and find a good Jaguar specialist.
Whilst not the most dynamic of drives, they are great for covering long distances. Ensure you get one with a full history and find a good Jaguar specialist.
My girlfriend bought a 3L diesel Jaguar XF, ran it for about a year and nothing went wrong. She liked it so much that she upgraded to a newer one!
It's a nice place to spend time, the 3L has a good balance of poke and fuel economy (we saw 40mpg on average and pushing 50mpg on a long run), and despite all the scare stories, it seemed reasonably well nailed together.
Is there any reason in particular you're looking at a 2015 XF? It's essentially the same car as a 2009 one, with a mid-life facelift in 2011-2012ish.
Funnily enough, it was such a good car, I was idley browsing Autotrader the other day to see how the even more pokey 3.0D s (275bhp) was for price. It seems 5k-7k got you a low mileage, top spec one. I would imagine that would feel like an awful lot of car for the money.
It's a nice place to spend time, the 3L has a good balance of poke and fuel economy (we saw 40mpg on average and pushing 50mpg on a long run), and despite all the scare stories, it seemed reasonably well nailed together.
Is there any reason in particular you're looking at a 2015 XF? It's essentially the same car as a 2009 one, with a mid-life facelift in 2011-2012ish.
Funnily enough, it was such a good car, I was idley browsing Autotrader the other day to see how the even more pokey 3.0D s (275bhp) was for price. It seems 5k-7k got you a low mileage, top spec one. I would imagine that would feel like an awful lot of car for the money.
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