Selling via one of the TV adverts
Discussion
I'm at a loss to explain what just happened. I am selling one of the vehicles and to save hassle decided to go to one of the TV advertisers that would offer it to all the dealers who would fight for the privilege of buying . So I fill in the forms, take lots of pictures, including service history and off we go. An offer comes back, a little less than I expected but I decided to pragmatic. I then get a call from the selling site to say the car's been clocked. but they are willing to give me an offer WAY below the first figure. After a fight they sent me the entries into the National Mileage Register and it appears that just after I started my discussions with them an entry has been made on the NMR that is below the figure I provided with them. The sequence is clearly wrong but it still flags on the HPI check as clocked.
I'd love to hear your theory. I have mine but as it could be considered libel, I'll keep quiet.......
The NMR tell me that only the body that made the entry can change it, but they can't tell me who that was.
I'd love to hear your theory. I have mine but as it could be considered libel, I'll keep quiet.......
The NMR tell me that only the body that made the entry can change it, but they can't tell me who that was.
Interesting scenario.
A few plausible realities, assuming your data to be correct which is that there has either been a data entry error or a fraud.
Personally, I'd focus initially on the former 2, that your data may be incorrect or someone made a data entry error on their side?
No real point in leaping to 3 until the other possibilities are ruled out.
Does the supposed discrepancy occur during your time of ownership? Is it at odds with the VOSA MOT data that you have? If the discrepancy is prior to your purchase did you pay for an HPI check?
A few plausible realities, assuming your data to be correct which is that there has either been a data entry error or a fraud.
Personally, I'd focus initially on the former 2, that your data may be incorrect or someone made a data entry error on their side?
No real point in leaping to 3 until the other possibilities are ruled out.
Does the supposed discrepancy occur during your time of ownership? Is it at odds with the VOSA MOT data that you have? If the discrepancy is prior to your purchase did you pay for an HPI check?
JoburgRed04 said:
The daisy chain of mileages increases at a steady 11-12000 per annum and the last entry has shaved 20000 off.
Which record? Theirs or VOSA?When you check your vehicle's MOT history do you see the change?
Did you own the car at the last MOt? You have the paperwork etc?
JoburgRed04 said:
It's the NMR database that's wrong. The MOT record is spot on and follows a pretty straight line change of mileage. MOT was three months before starting the sale process, the incorrect entry was just after the sale process started but there's no reason for anyone to change it,
Did you get the MOT at a main dealer or any other main dealer visits?bennno said:
JoburgRed04 said:
The website acts as a clearing house to put sellers in touch with interested dealers. The mileage at last MOT (June this year) is 20 000 or so miles lower than an entry made after the car was offered for sale
Sorry, you are still posting illiterate waffle. There's no shame in your inability to understand it, but a little humility wouldn't go amiss.
MrGTI6 said:
bennno said:
JoburgRed04 said:
The website acts as a clearing house to put sellers in touch with interested dealers. The mileage at last MOT (June this year) is 20 000 or so miles lower than an entry made after the car was offered for sale
Sorry, you are still posting illiterate waffle. There's no shame in your inability to understand it, but a little humility wouldn't go amiss.
'The MOT in June was 20k lower than an entry made after the car was offered for sale.'
So either the car was offered for sale months back (prior to the june mot)
Or the mileage has increased by 20k since the mot?
A clear post .....
Mileage now xx
23 mot xx date miles
22 mot xx date miles
21 mot xx date miles
Does the mileage increase sequentially, do the service mileages tally etc
bennno said:
MrGTI6 said:
bennno said:
JoburgRed04 said:
The website acts as a clearing house to put sellers in touch with interested dealers. The mileage at last MOT (June this year) is 20 000 or so miles lower than an entry made after the car was offered for sale
Sorry, you are still posting illiterate waffle. There's no shame in your inability to understand it, but a little humility wouldn't go amiss.
'The MOT in June was 20k lower than an entry made after the car was offered for sale.'
So either the car was offered for sale months back (prior to the june mot)
Or the mileage has increased by 20k since the mot?
A clear post .....
Mileage now xx
23 mot xx date miles
22 mot xx date miles
21 mot xx date miles
Does the mileage increase sequentially, do the service mileages tally etc
Kuwahara said:
Had exactly the same a few months back ,put my car up on what I think is probably the same one you used and the guy phones back and says they can’t list it as there is a marker against it regards mileage.
I don’t understand anymore either. Originally I thought the mileage at all the MOTs was right and a spurious entry on the NMR appeared out of thin air (say for the sake of argument last week, just after the car was listed).
But now it seems the MOT recorded mileage in June was wrong and has only just come to light.
OP when did you begin discussions with the firm off the telly? Are the MOT mileages all correct or not?
Events in sequence
a) M)T 2019
b) MOT 2020
c) MOT 2021
d) MOT 2022
e) MOT 2023
f) MOT 2024
all on the NMR showing increasing mileages and at the same rate of change.
g) Car offered for sale through the TV advertisers
h) New entry on the NMR showing 20k miles less than the 2024 MOT
i) TV advertisers tell me they can only offer a lower price because the car's been clocked
a) M)T 2019
b) MOT 2020
c) MOT 2021
d) MOT 2022
e) MOT 2023
f) MOT 2024
all on the NMR showing increasing mileages and at the same rate of change.
g) Car offered for sale through the TV advertisers
h) New entry on the NMR showing 20k miles less than the 2024 MOT
i) TV advertisers tell me they can only offer a lower price because the car's been clocked
Agree with those suggesting the OP simply lays out the data. I e asked a couple of times. Data will give the clarity where someone's words may not.
But we have no idea how long the OP has owned the car, whether they carried out the last MOT, or any of them. Best we can guess is that the VOSA data remains unchanged and the last entry tallies with roughly what the car is reading currently.
This would mean the first question is what would be the source of the conflicting data that is stating the mileage as 20k higher. What entity other than VOSA has the mileage data?
But surely the OP is capable of laying out his own basic dataset? MOT data, purchase dates servicing dates etc?
We all know and understand that the motor industry contains a significant corrupt element but this must be countered by the reality that the corrupt element amongst the general public is 100s to 1000s times larger. For every bent motor industry individual there will be 1000s of consumers who will lie, steal, deceive and defraud not even for 5p but some for no gain just the desire to do so.
if I were going to scam the trade then just trying to think of a way off the top of my head, would you not buy a car and set an MOT record then Uber it 247 for x months before having your bent mate change the display and then try and defraud someone via the misrepresentation of the mileage? Cap HPI obviously don't run the service for fun but because of the vast number of dishonest people who think nothing of trying to steal from others.
Has the OP been a victim of such a theft, has the auction site accidentally assumed the OP is yet another of the thousands of scammers and fraudsters who don't even recognise for a moment that they're thieving scumbags? Or could a couple of blokes in the motor trade be colluding to steal from the naive punter?
JoburgRed04 said:
Events in sequence
a) M)T 2019
b) MOT 2020
c) MOT 2021
d) MOT 2022
e) MOT 2023
f) MOT 2024
all on the NMR showing increasing mileages and at the same rate of change.
g) Car offered for sale through the TV advertisers
h) New entry on the NMR showing 20k miles less than the 2024 MOT
i) TV advertisers tell me they can only offer a lower price because the car's been clocked
As you are a new poster, plus being obtuse with answers, it appears this is a wind up.a) M)T 2019
b) MOT 2020
c) MOT 2021
d) MOT 2022
e) MOT 2023
f) MOT 2024
all on the NMR showing increasing mileages and at the same rate of change.
g) Car offered for sale through the TV advertisers
h) New entry on the NMR showing 20k miles less than the 2024 MOT
i) TV advertisers tell me they can only offer a lower price because the car's been clocked
What date is the new entry on the NMR? What’s type of data record is the incorrect one?
What’s the current mileage ?
Does your service history align with the mot mileages?
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