£20k budget lots of short journeys
Discussion
Hey all,
I'm looking for your thoughts on what my next car should be?
I do a lot of short journeys so I'm thinking either Electric, Plug In Hybrid or maybe just a good old fashioned petrol.
The car needs to have 4 or 5 doors and needs to have a fairly big boot, say minimum 350 litres. The other thing the car needs is to be fun and reasonably quick, say at least under 6.5 to 60mph. I would like to be able to connect my phone through Android Auto and any other luxuries would be a bonus.
My budget is up to £20k
Cheers
I'm looking for your thoughts on what my next car should be?
I do a lot of short journeys so I'm thinking either Electric, Plug In Hybrid or maybe just a good old fashioned petrol.
The car needs to have 4 or 5 doors and needs to have a fairly big boot, say minimum 350 litres. The other thing the car needs is to be fun and reasonably quick, say at least under 6.5 to 60mph. I would like to be able to connect my phone through Android Auto and any other luxuries would be a bonus.
My budget is up to £20k
Cheers
Only recommending as I have one:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024070815...
You can pick up for well under 20k but looking at some high milers.
How many short journeys and what range do you need? You'll get 20-25 miles on pure EV with some regen possible, then the better part of 400 bhp when running on the ICE and battery combo. On a brief look it looks like you're paying upwards of 2k premium over the ICE equivalent T5 which is a 4 cylinder 2 litre turbo, the T8 is the same unit but has the battery and a super charger.
I'd do the maths based on your mileage and usage profile and see either rule a PHEV in or out as if you rule it out then there's a far broader selection of cars to choose from (I'm not sure if the Volvo ticks the fun box for many but it's a good all rounder, most of our usage is with EV range so over 30k miles and counting was worth the higherpurchase price).
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2024070815...
You can pick up for well under 20k but looking at some high milers.
How many short journeys and what range do you need? You'll get 20-25 miles on pure EV with some regen possible, then the better part of 400 bhp when running on the ICE and battery combo. On a brief look it looks like you're paying upwards of 2k premium over the ICE equivalent T5 which is a 4 cylinder 2 litre turbo, the T8 is the same unit but has the battery and a super charger.
I'd do the maths based on your mileage and usage profile and see either rule a PHEV in or out as if you rule it out then there's a far broader selection of cars to choose from (I'm not sure if the Volvo ticks the fun box for many but it's a good all rounder, most of our usage is with EV range so over 30k miles and counting was worth the higherpurchase price).
I do a lot of 3-4 mile round trips, so something with a battery would probably make sense over a petrol car. I also have a drive but I haven't got a charger so I suppose I would have to work that out in the costs.
That Volvo is pretty quick off the line and I'm sure it's very practical, but for me it doesn't do the fun bit, thanks for the suggestion though.
That Volvo is pretty quick off the line and I'm sure it's very practical, but for me it doesn't do the fun bit, thanks for the suggestion though.
Edited by Carfanatic44 on Tuesday 3rd September 20:39
blank said:
Golf GTE or Cupra Leon equivalent?
My friend has an Audi A3 hybrid and the boot is tiny, so I'm guessing these would probably be the same. I will check them out though so thanks for the suggestion. Just taken a look, they are like the Audi, the batteries seem to take up a lot of the boot.
Edited by Carfanatic44 on Tuesday 3rd September 21:48
Carfanatic44 said:
My friend has an Audi A3 hybrid and the boot is tiny, so I'm guessing these would probably be the same. I will check them out though so thanks for the suggestion.
Just taken a look, they are like the Audi, the batteries seem to take up a lot of the boot.
There's an estate version of the Leon.Just taken a look, they are like the Audi, the batteries seem to take up a lot of the boot.
Edited by Carfanatic44 on Tuesday 3rd September 21:48
Are you only doing short trips in this car, or mainly short trips with the occasional longer one?
EVs are perfect for short trips - car can be preconditioned so it's warm or cool from the start of the trip, no worries about the engine doing lots of miles when cold, smooth and stress-free. And cheap to run.
If not doing many miles in total you can probably rely on a £150 three-pin charger, as long as your house wiring is in good condition.
If you're brave, the Jag I-Pace is probably perfect - 4.5 secs to 60, great Jag chassis, spacious cab-forward layout. However some owners have encountered issues
The 'safe' option is a Cupra Born, reckoned to be one of the better EVs to drive with RWD and a sportier chassis than the related VW. The smaller battery e-Boost model is quickest.
You could also consider the MG4, which is plentiful and has quite good write-ups for handling (also RWD).
EVs are perfect for short trips - car can be preconditioned so it's warm or cool from the start of the trip, no worries about the engine doing lots of miles when cold, smooth and stress-free. And cheap to run.
If not doing many miles in total you can probably rely on a £150 three-pin charger, as long as your house wiring is in good condition.
If you're brave, the Jag I-Pace is probably perfect - 4.5 secs to 60, great Jag chassis, spacious cab-forward layout. However some owners have encountered issues
The 'safe' option is a Cupra Born, reckoned to be one of the better EVs to drive with RWD and a sportier chassis than the related VW. The smaller battery e-Boost model is quickest.
You could also consider the MG4, which is plentiful and has quite good write-ups for handling (also RWD).
blank said:
Carfanatic44 said:
My friend has an Audi A3 hybrid and the boot is tiny, so I'm guessing these would probably be the same. I will check them out though so thanks for the suggestion.
Just taken a look, they are like the Audi, the batteries seem to take up a lot of the boot.
There's an estate version of the Leon.Just taken a look, they are like the Audi, the batteries seem to take up a lot of the boot.
Edited by Carfanatic44 on Tuesday 3rd September 21:48
If you want fun you may need to look at full EV as opposed to a PHEV, however I'm not sure I'd want to own an EV in this or any price bracket that wasn't throw away money, maybe only if I was going to hold on to it for a number of years-I would and might lease an EV however.
PHEV's are usually compromised in someway as the battery gets shoehorned into an exisiting design, the Mercedes E class is one of the most comical as they've just boxed off a section of the exisiting boot creating a big step and awkward loading area. There's also the extra weight.
PHEV's are usually compromised in someway as the battery gets shoehorned into an exisiting design, the Mercedes E class is one of the most comical as they've just boxed off a section of the exisiting boot creating a big step and awkward loading area. There's also the extra weight.
A G series BMW 330e may be a good shout.
My wife has one and apart from running cost and space it’s just better than a Tesla. Quieter, comfier, better built and better to drive. It’s just a brilliant car to daily.
Negative is the boot is only 375L so depends what you need to put in it.
My wife has one and apart from running cost and space it’s just better than a Tesla. Quieter, comfier, better built and better to drive. It’s just a brilliant car to daily.
Negative is the boot is only 375L so depends what you need to put in it.
Probably doesn't really tick the fun box but the Suzuki Across (a badge engineered Rav4 PHEV) is about as good as it gets in the plug in hybrid world. Comfortably under 6 seconds to 60, over 300 bhp, genuine ~45+ mile EV range and 50+ mpg and 500+ mile range on long trips. Decent interior, long warranty and Toyota build quality.
A better car all round than our Model Y being honest, even ignoring the added flexibility of the drivetrain.
A better car all round than our Model Y being honest, even ignoring the added flexibility of the drivetrain.
samoht said:
Are you only doing short trips in this car, or mainly short trips with the occasional longer one?
EVs are perfect for short trips - car can be preconditioned so it's warm or cool from the start of the trip, no worries about the engine doing lots of miles when cold, smooth and stress-free. And cheap to run.
If not doing many miles in total you can probably rely on a £150 three-pin charger, as long as your house wiring is in good condition.
If you're brave, the Jag I-Pace is probably perfect - 4.5 secs to 60, great Jag chassis, spacious cab-forward layout. However some owners have encountered issues
The 'safe' option is a Cupra Born, reckoned to be one of the better EVs to drive with RWD and a sportier chassis than the related VW. The smaller battery e-Boost model is quickest.
You could also consider the MG4, which is plentiful and has quite good write-ups for handling (also RWD).
What are the issues with the Ipace? They do look to be great value for money, but is there a reason for that? I do occasionally do longer trips, would they do 200 miles in the winter without needing to be charged up?EVs are perfect for short trips - car can be preconditioned so it's warm or cool from the start of the trip, no worries about the engine doing lots of miles when cold, smooth and stress-free. And cheap to run.
If not doing many miles in total you can probably rely on a £150 three-pin charger, as long as your house wiring is in good condition.
If you're brave, the Jag I-Pace is probably perfect - 4.5 secs to 60, great Jag chassis, spacious cab-forward layout. However some owners have encountered issues
The 'safe' option is a Cupra Born, reckoned to be one of the better EVs to drive with RWD and a sportier chassis than the related VW. The smaller battery e-Boost model is quickest.
You could also consider the MG4, which is plentiful and has quite good write-ups for handling (also RWD).
The Cupra Born is a nice looking car as is the Renault Meganes, they might be a touch too small, but certainly worth checking out.
a311 said:
If you want fun you may need to look at full EV as opposed to a PHEV, however I'm not sure I'd want to own an EV in this or any price bracket that wasn't throw away money, maybe only if I was going to hold on to it for a number of years-I would and might lease an EV however.
PHEV's are usually compromised in someway as the battery gets shoehorned into an exisiting design, the Mercedes E class is one of the most comical as they've just boxed off a section of the exisiting boot creating a big step and awkward loading area. There's also the extra weight.
Ok that's interesting, what are your concerns with owning EVs?PHEV's are usually compromised in someway as the battery gets shoehorned into an exisiting design, the Mercedes E class is one of the most comical as they've just boxed off a section of the exisiting boot creating a big step and awkward loading area. There's also the extra weight.
CG2020UK said:
A G series BMW 330e may be a good shout.
My wife has one and apart from running cost and space it’s just better than a Tesla. Quieter, comfier, better built and better to drive. It’s just a brilliant car to daily.
Negative is the boot is only 375L so depends what you need to put in it.
Is the G the 2020 car? They do look to be the best hybrid from what I've seen. I would say that a 375L boot sounds ok, I guess it comes down to how useable the space is? Saloons can be tricky when it comes to packing them. I know they do an estate as well, they seem to be more money though. My wife has one and apart from running cost and space it’s just better than a Tesla. Quieter, comfier, better built and better to drive. It’s just a brilliant car to daily.
Negative is the boot is only 375L so depends what you need to put in it.
Carfanatic44 said:
Ok that's interesting, what are your concerns with owning EVs?
Mainly down to the life and performance of the battery. At this price point if the battery goes at the it may not be economical to replace the battery-I've seen figures of 8-20k mentioned but this could come down in time. On newer EV's I'd worry about the resale value, it appears many dealers don't want second hand EV's on their inventory.
Snow and Rocks said:
Probably doesn't really tick the fun box but the Suzuki Across (a badge engineered Rav4 PHEV) is about as good as it gets in the plug in hybrid world. Comfortably under 6 seconds to 60, over 300 bhp, genuine ~45+ mile EV range and 50+ mpg and 500+ mile range on long trips. Decent interior, long warranty and Toyota build quality.
A better car all round than our Model Y being honest, even ignoring the added flexibility of the drivetrain.
I've just watched a review of this and yeah it doesn't look like it ticks the sporty badge, more power than needed seemed to be the reviews opinion and the cars power plants get confused when pushing on. Looks like a very practical car though. A better car all round than our Model Y being honest, even ignoring the added flexibility of the drivetrain.
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