Tiguan 1.5 Evo?
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Hi everyone, we are looking at a Tiguan as we have a sending child on the way so need space for a double pram and two car seats.
Before anyone says it, my wife didn't like estates and it's her car.
Many that come up are the 1.5 tsi Evo engine. Does anyone have experience with this engine? Any good? I would prefer the 2.0 TDI but there seem to be more 1.5s about.
Also, is Match trim good? We would be coming from a G20 320d with all the kit so we don't want something s
t and povvo spec.
I personally would like the Seat Ateca it Tarracco but she's not keen on the looks.
Thanks!
Before anyone says it, my wife didn't like estates and it's her car.
Many that come up are the 1.5 tsi Evo engine. Does anyone have experience with this engine? Any good? I would prefer the 2.0 TDI but there seem to be more 1.5s about.
Also, is Match trim good? We would be coming from a G20 320d with all the kit so we don't want something s
t and povvo spec.I personally would like the Seat Ateca it Tarracco but she's not keen on the looks.
Thanks!
Our 15/65 Match seemed well-specced to me.
But we came to it from an '04 CRV and that was the run-out of the first-gen Tig by then, so perhaps they were better-specced.
I'd be going Tarraco personally, but I also think they're good-looking. (Shows what I know!)
1.5 Ateca was my planned replacement for that Tig but we ended up in a Disco Sport at Mrs T's behest. That was a mistake!
But we came to it from an '04 CRV and that was the run-out of the first-gen Tig by then, so perhaps they were better-specced.
I'd be going Tarraco personally, but I also think they're good-looking. (Shows what I know!)
1.5 Ateca was my planned replacement for that Tig but we ended up in a Disco Sport at Mrs T's behest. That was a mistake!
The early models of the 1.5 had rough running issues for the first few miles when cold, more of an issue with manuals though.
It's a good engine, I was getting 45-50mpg on long motorway runs in the Golf. But only 35-40 around town and shorter trips, so it's more suited to cruising.
Has enough torque when moving, only issues I found were DSG delays - particularly bad when trying to accelerate briskly to join a motorway gap while accelerating. You could get round it by manually shifting to a lower gear beforehand. Otherwise you would be left without drive for 1-2 seconds and would have been better off not trying to get a lower gear.
The DSG has an eco coasting feature in normal drive mode. Downhill it would disengage gear and drop to idle. It didn't save any fuel in the real world, I got the same or slightly better mpg in sport mode where it keeps the gear engaged.
(130hp 1.5 engine had a more extreme coasting feature where it would actually shut down the engine completely and run off battery power. Apparently it couldn't be turned off even in sport mode)
It's a good engine, I was getting 45-50mpg on long motorway runs in the Golf. But only 35-40 around town and shorter trips, so it's more suited to cruising.
Has enough torque when moving, only issues I found were DSG delays - particularly bad when trying to accelerate briskly to join a motorway gap while accelerating. You could get round it by manually shifting to a lower gear beforehand. Otherwise you would be left without drive for 1-2 seconds and would have been better off not trying to get a lower gear.
The DSG has an eco coasting feature in normal drive mode. Downhill it would disengage gear and drop to idle. It didn't save any fuel in the real world, I got the same or slightly better mpg in sport mode where it keeps the gear engaged.
(130hp 1.5 engine had a more extreme coasting feature where it would actually shut down the engine completely and run off battery power. Apparently it couldn't be turned off even in sport mode)
PistonBroker said:
Our 15/65 Match seemed well-specced to me.
But we came to it from an '04 CRV and that was the run-out of the first-gen Tig by then, so perhaps they were better-specced.
I'd be going Tarraco personally, but I also think they're good-looking. (Shows what I know!)
1.5 Ateca was my planned replacement for that Tig but we ended up in a Disco Sport at Mrs T's behest. That was a mistake!
She really doesn't like the look of the Seats for some reason! I think they look nice, same with the Skodas. For me, the VWs are the worst looking of the bunch in none R-Line trim.But we came to it from an '04 CRV and that was the run-out of the first-gen Tig by then, so perhaps they were better-specced.
I'd be going Tarraco personally, but I also think they're good-looking. (Shows what I know!)
1.5 Ateca was my planned replacement for that Tig but we ended up in a Disco Sport at Mrs T's behest. That was a mistake!
Incidentally she sent me a Disco Sport today. They look pleasant enough but there's always a worry with an LR product, was yours no good then?
I would prefer the 2.0 diesel tbh as that has to be one of the most ubiquitous engines on the planet, no?! if not then certainly Northern Europe so there shouldn't be too many worries. Any other recommendations then keep them coming!
I have the 1.5 150 currently. The engine is fine grunt wise - but as other have suggested the DSG isn't the best takes a while to shift down.
I have an R Line bought on a run out deal last Black Friday to shift the Mk 2's and it is well equipped, I think Match is pretty good in my understanding but smaller wheels.
Tbh if I was buying a Mk 2 again I would have gone for Elegance - pan roof, leather and matrix lights as standard at the expense of a bit more black plastic outside.
I also don't think it is amazing on petrol, not so bad that it bothers me but on a 2 hour trip down west Wales I would only squeak into the 40's driving normally.
I came out of an F40 118i and that was bad in town but then completely made up for it on the motorway but the Tiguan doesn't quite cancel it out (bigger, heavier car with 4 cyl engine though I get that)
The Mrs really likes it because "you sit up high".
I have an R Line bought on a run out deal last Black Friday to shift the Mk 2's and it is well equipped, I think Match is pretty good in my understanding but smaller wheels.
Tbh if I was buying a Mk 2 again I would have gone for Elegance - pan roof, leather and matrix lights as standard at the expense of a bit more black plastic outside.
I also don't think it is amazing on petrol, not so bad that it bothers me but on a 2 hour trip down west Wales I would only squeak into the 40's driving normally.
I came out of an F40 118i and that was bad in town but then completely made up for it on the motorway but the Tiguan doesn't quite cancel it out (bigger, heavier car with 4 cyl engine though I get that)
The Mrs really likes it because "you sit up high".
patch5674 said:
Tbh if I was buying a Mk 2 again I would have gone for Elegance - pan roof, leather and matrix lights as standard at the expense of a bit more black plastic outside.
I also don't think it is amazing on petrol, not so bad that it bothers me but on a 2 hour trip down west Wales I would only squeak into the 40's driving normally.
What driving mode are you using. Eco bumps the MPG quite a lot in steady driving and you can barely tell the difference on the move. I took wife's Karoq down South and it easy to get low 50's, but it had stuck at low 40's in Normal - it only occured to me to try to some way into the trip.I also don't think it is amazing on petrol, not so bad that it bothers me but on a 2 hour trip down west Wales I would only squeak into the 40's driving normally.
The sunroof is great, but a can of worms if you're keeping the car for a few yrs - they all seem to rattle or leak or both and are expensive to fix. Even in warranty dealers baulk at fixing them and you might be pressed into having a "sun roof service" every time you take it for service.
Sheepshanks said:
What driving mode are you using. Eco bumps the MPG quite a lot in steady driving and you can barely tell the difference on the move. I took wife's Karoq down South and it easy to get low 50's, but it had stuck at low 40's in Normal - it only occured to me to try to some way into the trip.
The sunroof is great, but a can of worms if you're keeping the car for a few yrs - they all seem to rattle or leak or both and are expensive to fix. Even in warranty dealers baulk at fixing them and you might be pressed into having a "sun roof service" every time you take it for service.
Good point re Sunroof, tbh it was more the matrix lights as they look so much better, whilst the leather comes with electric seats (not available independently of one another)The sunroof is great, but a can of worms if you're keeping the car for a few yrs - they all seem to rattle or leak or both and are expensive to fix. Even in warranty dealers baulk at fixing them and you might be pressed into having a "sun roof service" every time you take it for service.
I use normal tbh, I used to use Eco Pro in my BMW a lot but don't use eco in the Tiguan as the throttle pedal feels particularly dead, but I suppose it matter less on the motorway.
One thing I have noticed and the other half has noticed as well (I have enquired as to whether my car has a fault but apparently not and I can't demo it to the dealer) is that on undulating countryside A roads if you come off throttle on a downhill section and apply the brake slightly the car shifts down, almost as if it is expecting to slow down lots but I only want to scrub off a few MPH, but it will shift down, the revs jump to circa 3K/3.5K and it doesn't sound 'healthy'/normal.
Eco solves this a bit because it coasts, but not sure if this is normal behavior. (appreciate 3K revs isn't lots in the grand scheme of things but seems an odd thing to do)
The car is great OP - the gearbox doesn't spoil it really just could be slightly better. I can totally see why they are so popular I don't really like SUV's, but saw my in laws swallow his bike whole with the wheels on and then a few days later I saw ads about the VW Black Friday sale and I had one a few days after that ha. It is an incredibly well packaged car I reckon, and the amount of room in the back because the front seats are on rails above the footwell combined with the sliding and reclining chairs is exceptional.
patch5674 said:
One thing I have noticed and the other half has noticed as well (I have enquired as to whether my car has a fault but apparently not and I can't demo it to the dealer) is that on undulating countryside A roads if you come off throttle on a downhill section and apply the brake slightly the car shifts down, almost as if it is expecting to slow down lots but I only want to scrub off a few MPH, but it will shift down, the revs jump to circa 3K/3.5K and it doesn't sound 'healthy'/normal.
Eco solves this a bit because it coasts, but not sure if this is normal behavior. (appreciate 3K revs isn't lots in the grand scheme of things but seems an odd thing to do)
I'm pretty sure wife's Karoq doesn't shift down if touching the brakes - in fact it coasts in Normal which I don't really like as it can run away with itself. It does re-engage drive if you brake but I don't thonk it shifts down - we have a steep downhill on way back to our house and there's often a speed trap at the bottom so I;m cautious of speed there. On the diesel late mk1 Tiguan we had you could enable / disable coasting and we left it off - there no such option on the Karoq. Eco solves this a bit because it coasts, but not sure if this is normal behavior. (appreciate 3K revs isn't lots in the grand scheme of things but seems an odd thing to do)
I don't know what the options are in the Individual (or whatever it's called) mode - can you set it up how you'd like it there?
To be honest, ours drives just fine, as did the Tiguan we had before. I don't recognise the delays etc thet people talk about, but we don't use auto hold or auto handbrake. The petrol Karoq can be a bit sharp spinning it's fronts if turning out of a wet junction - Tiguan was 4Motion so never did that. I do miss the feeling of the grunt in the diesel Tiguan but Karoq goes just as well and economy is same / better.
I recently tried a Passat with a 1.5 150 (manual) and it felt properly lifeless. I suspect the earlier 1.4 TSI might feel a bit zingier.
I've been on a similar journey to you recently. Just about to put my old 2012 Mondeo Titanium X wagon up for sale as I've bought a CR-V. The Tiguan's decent but the Honda worked better for us.
I've been on a similar journey to you recently. Just about to put my old 2012 Mondeo Titanium X wagon up for sale as I've bought a CR-V. The Tiguan's decent but the Honda worked better for us.
We’ve recently changed our S Max to a T Roc (Very similar to the Tiguan, just a tad smaller).
We avoided the 1.5TSI, not for any reliability reasons, just preferred the 2.0TSI to drive and the 2.0 came with 4motion which we’ve found useful a couple of times already. 2.0 seems to be a lot more effortless to drive and has a reasonable lick of pace when needed.
We went for the SEL as preferred the look over the R Line and has plenty of kit.
The DSG box is good but as has been said, can be abit dim witted and unless in sport it’s determined to be in the highest gear possible (4th at 22mph and usually shifts to 7th at around 45).
The coast feature only activities in Eco mode on ours and basically knocks the car into neutral when coasting, touch the brakes or throttle though and reengages almost instantly. In Eco mode though the throttle is very unresponsive even in the 2.0 so drive in “normal” most of the time yet still seeing 38mpg around town, not had a chance for along run yet.
Overall, we rate it so far. Comfortable, easy to drive and much better running costs than our old 2.0 EcoBoost S Max.
We avoided the 1.5TSI, not for any reliability reasons, just preferred the 2.0TSI to drive and the 2.0 came with 4motion which we’ve found useful a couple of times already. 2.0 seems to be a lot more effortless to drive and has a reasonable lick of pace when needed.
We went for the SEL as preferred the look over the R Line and has plenty of kit.
The DSG box is good but as has been said, can be abit dim witted and unless in sport it’s determined to be in the highest gear possible (4th at 22mph and usually shifts to 7th at around 45).
The coast feature only activities in Eco mode on ours and basically knocks the car into neutral when coasting, touch the brakes or throttle though and reengages almost instantly. In Eco mode though the throttle is very unresponsive even in the 2.0 so drive in “normal” most of the time yet still seeing 38mpg around town, not had a chance for along run yet.
Overall, we rate it so far. Comfortable, easy to drive and much better running costs than our old 2.0 EcoBoost S Max.
Fuzzarr said:
I recently tried a Passat with a 1.5 150 (manual) and it felt properly lifeless. I suspect the earlier 1.4 TSI might feel a bit zingier.
I've been on a similar journey to you recently. Just about to put my old 2012 Mondeo Titanium X wagon up for sale as I've bought a CR-V. The Tiguan's decent but the Honda worked better for us.
Yup. It’s gutless. I had it in my A3 (below) and it was slow in that. You have to rag it to get it going.I've been on a similar journey to you recently. Just about to put my old 2012 Mondeo Titanium X wagon up for sale as I've bought a CR-V. The Tiguan's decent but the Honda worked better for us.
You’re much better off with a 2.0 TSI or TDI.
Sunday Drive said:
Yup. It’s gutless. I had it in my A3 (below) and it was slow in that. You have to rag it to get it going.
You’re much better off with a 2.0 TSI or TDI.
Unless you get one of the higher power TDi's, they're the same power (150PS) as the usual 1.5 petrol (although there are lower power versions of the petrol). The diesel feels more powerful because of its torque.You’re much better off with a 2.0 TSI or TDI.
Maybe the 1.5 works better in an SUV, where you're not exactly ear'oling the car - I think it works fine in wife's Karoq.
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