Where are all you PHEV owners
Discussion
Looking at trading in my Subaru Forester XT for the low mpg and high tax.
I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
smallpaul said:
PHEV can give you worst of both worlds. Having the maintenance of the batteries, electric motor and engine. IIRC the outlander gave me 20ish mpg when I drove it without charging it.
Saying that, the Golf GTE looks good on paper. Frugal petrol with reasonable miles on electric.
£560 tax..........GULPSaying that, the Golf GTE looks good on paper. Frugal petrol with reasonable miles on electric.
Rav4 plug in hybrid - properly quick getting to 60 in 5.4s, good mpg even if you can't plug it in and the bulletproof reliabity and low ongoing maintenance of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain. 10 year warranty too.
Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
Snow and Rocks said:
Rav4 plug in hybrid - properly quick getting to 60 in 5.4s, good mpg even if you can't plug it in and the bulletproof reliabity and low ongoing maintenance of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain. 10 year warranty too.
Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
I almost bought one recently. PHEVs can be both the best and worst of both worlds at the same time, I think depending on your attitude or outlook to them.Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
However you have to pay a premium for them and then there's that bloody tax that disincentives the purchase of a cleaner running vehicle, so I've changed my mind completely.
Having just suffered a breakdown due to modern emissions s
t that left us stranded in France for a week, I've going to look for a Mk 7.5 Golf GTi and stuff all that modern st. Cheaper car and cheaper tax. Snow and Rocks said:
Rav4 plug in hybrid - properly quick getting to 60 in 5.4s, good mpg even if you can't plug it in and the bulletproof reliabity and low ongoing maintenance of the Toyota hybrid drivetrain. 10 year warranty too.
Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
I agree with this. My wife runs a Rav4 PHEV as a company car and it's been great. Around 45 miles to a charge but 50mpg+ on petrol. Comfortably, reliable and it rather brisk for what it is. The only negative I've found is the rather outdated infotainment.Not cheap but in a different league to terrible products like the Outlander that genuinely were the worst of both worlds.
heebeegeetee said:
I almost bought one recently. PHEVs can be both the best and worst of both worlds at the same time, I think depending on your attitude or outlook to them.
However you have to pay a premium for them and then there's that bloody tax that disincentives the purchase of a cleaner running vehicle, so I've changed my mind completely.
Having just suffered a breakdown due to modern emissions st that left us stranded in France for a week, I've going to look for a Mk 7.5 Golf GTi and stuff all that modern st. Cheaper car and cheaper tax.
Fair enough but if it's a dependable bulletproof car you're after then every penny of my money would be on the Toyota hybrid. Much better built and much, much less to go wrong than with an ageing turbocharged VAG product.However you have to pay a premium for them and then there's that bloody tax that disincentives the purchase of a cleaner running vehicle, so I've changed my mind completely.
Having just suffered a breakdown due to modern emissions s
t that left us stranded in France for a week, I've going to look for a Mk 7.5 Golf GTi and stuff all that modern st. Cheaper car and cheaper tax. The Golf is a good car though!
romft123 said:
Looking at trading in my Subaru Forester XT for the low mpg and high tax.
I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
Phevs are good in theory but essentially you have the worst of both worlds with dulled benefits of both. They don’t live up to the hype. I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
smallpaul said:
PHEV can give you worst of both worlds. Having the maintenance of the batteries, electric motor and engine. IIRC the outlander gave me 20ish mpg when I drove it without charging it.
Saying that, the Golf GTE looks good on paper. Frugal petrol with reasonable miles on electric.
Maintenance of the batteries?Saying that, the Golf GTE looks good on paper. Frugal petrol with reasonable miles on electric.
Wife has a Ford Kuga Phev, 40 mile range (30 in winter)
Battery has 8 year guarantee, meaning it has to be at a certain % at that age. No maintenance..
Plugged in overnight @ 8p Kwh
In a year, averaged 99mpg, as say 80% of her journeys are pure electric.
Been to petrol station in it twice.
Nice having the flexibility to be able to do long journeys as my next car is likely to be a full EV & I don’t fancy public charger gouging.
(although the new Skoda Superb Estate phev, 62 mile range, looks tempting!)
So the phev is the best of both worlds for us.
Nice spec too? Opening panoramic roof/hud/driver packs etc
Edited by James6112 on Saturday 16th March 07:15
I'm very happy with my 2021 Volvo XC40 T5 plug-in.
Most of my journeys are 20 miles or less, so done using just the battery at 4p a mile.
Does 40+ mpg after the battery has "run out", so reasonably economical for the size.
Comfortable and refined. About 260bhp combined, so fast enough.
Takes less than 4 hours to charge using a granny charger.
Downsides are it's subject to the over £40k road tax supplement, and more expensive to buy than the straight petrol or diesel models. Cheaper than the full BEV though.
It's a decent compromise for my usage.
Most of my journeys are 20 miles or less, so done using just the battery at 4p a mile.
Does 40+ mpg after the battery has "run out", so reasonably economical for the size.
Comfortable and refined. About 260bhp combined, so fast enough.
Takes less than 4 hours to charge using a granny charger.
Downsides are it's subject to the over £40k road tax supplement, and more expensive to buy than the straight petrol or diesel models. Cheaper than the full BEV though.
It's a decent compromise for my usage.
We run a Passat GTE Advanced as our family bus. Most of the time it’s local run stuff on EV only (school run, local errands, etc) for which it’s perfect for two kids and associated paraphernalia. It’s also our weapon of choice for domestic holidaying, typically getting us north of 50mpg from Cheshire to North Devon.
It’s due a replacement in the coming 8-12 months and have been debating one last PHEV (likely V60) over a full EV. We already have a Model 3 P so are no strangers to the changes in journey planning with an EV.
It’s due a replacement in the coming 8-12 months and have been debating one last PHEV (likely V60) over a full EV. We already have a Model 3 P so are no strangers to the changes in journey planning with an EV.
Cupra Formentor? The 204bhp version in a lower spec might stay under the ‘luxury’ car tax threshold (I have the 245 VZ2 spec so am clobbered as a ‘luxury’ car). Same PHEV hardware as the Golf E above.
30 odd miles EV only range in Summer (quoted is 34), 26 or so in Winter. Overall mpg depends on how often you charge it and run EV only (but I’m getting 60 odd). Deploys the battery for performance too in a way other PHEVs I tried didn’t seem to (Kuga, 3008). Hoot to drive, handles reasonably well.
30 odd miles EV only range in Summer (quoted is 34), 26 or so in Winter. Overall mpg depends on how often you charge it and run EV only (but I’m getting 60 odd). Deploys the battery for performance too in a way other PHEVs I tried didn’t seem to (Kuga, 3008). Hoot to drive, handles reasonably well.
Edited by Dashnine on Saturday 16th March 09:34
I ran my Cayenne PHEV for 2 years and found it very pleasant and suited our driving habit of city kid taxi service . Zero tax, zero range anxiety on long journeys.
Due to the electric miles it averaged 55 mpg over my usage.
Only downside was it wasn’t powerful enough in ICE mode for my taste.
Due to the electric miles it averaged 55 mpg over my usage.
Only downside was it wasn’t powerful enough in ICE mode for my taste.
Mad Maximus said:
romft123 said:
Looking at trading in my Subaru Forester XT for the low mpg and high tax.
I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
Phevs are good in theory but essentially you have the worst of both worlds with dulled benefits of both. They don’t live up to the hype. I now do mainly local miles and thought a PHEV would fit as I have a solar array at home with a 5.6Kwh of output BUT am limited to exporting a max of 3.6Kwh. So If the washing machine isnt on, or the oven. I have left over juice!
Years ago I looked at a Mitsubishi Outlander but meh....since then, a few more are on the market.
KiA Niro, XCEED....Peugeot;s 3008. BMW X1, too much for me. Also the Vauxhall Grandland which is very similar to the 3008.
I do quite like the look of the Niro....
Looking at around 30 miles on battery, decent mpg on the petrol engine.....
Thoughts
Dan_1981 said:
Pick up a new fpace phev on Thursday... Will see what it's like!
Need to sort a charging tarrif out to get cheap overnight power now...
Just waiting for the standard fix thingy to be set in April
I have solar, so my charging is free.....Some have written about maintaining batteries....WUH?Need to sort a charging tarrif out to get cheap overnight power now...
Just waiting for the standard fix thingy to be set in April
romft123 said:
Mad Maximus said:
Phevs are good in theory but essentially you have the worst of both worlds with dulled benefits of both. They don’t live up to the hype.
In what way are they the "worst"??? 
Ignore this and read the positive experiences on the thread. For people whose everyday driving is less than 40 miles day (i.e. the vast majority of drivers in the UK), especially if there are lots of short journeys, PHEVs are an excellent compromise if you have a driveway.
I'm sure it's easy to program charging so that your car would be charging while you're sleeping each night.
Does your solar setup have battery storage? I've no idea if that's the norm.
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