Which car to replace my Range Sport?
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Hello,
I have my second Range Sport V8SC, bought new, very happy but I see that there is a new version. I tested it, it is very nice to drive, however, the price new has increased well over 200’000€, which I find too expensive…
What other suv do you think I should consider?
I live in the mountains so I need a 4x4, a good braking capability on slippy surfaces, preferably less than 150k€, not too long. Used one is ok.
It is my daily in winter-autumn, or when it rains.
Thanks!
I have my second Range Sport V8SC, bought new, very happy but I see that there is a new version. I tested it, it is very nice to drive, however, the price new has increased well over 200’000€, which I find too expensive…
What other suv do you think I should consider?
I live in the mountains so I need a 4x4, a good braking capability on slippy surfaces, preferably less than 150k€, not too long. Used one is ok.
It is my daily in winter-autumn, or when it rains.
Thanks!
Edited by SpookyTheFirst on Sunday 14th January 08:35
The price difference between the old SVR and the SV is crazy i really did not think it would be soo much as discussed in a previous thread.
Personally I think im going to get a P550e still good enough performance but will be plugged in on a night and used by the wife in what I would hope is mainly electric, what I save in petrol every month is going to go towards something more sporty for myself thinking M2.
Personally I think im going to get a P550e still good enough performance but will be plugged in on a night and used by the wife in what I would hope is mainly electric, what I save in petrol every month is going to go towards something more sporty for myself thinking M2.
If you need proper offroad, Cayenne. Quite capable, locking diffs etc. Proper 4x3, rather than AWD.
That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
RD-1 said:
cayman-black said:
I do not think any of the cars mentioned above can beat the Range Rover.
The question was what other SUVs should be considered, as the new Range Rover is too expensive.DaveH23 said:
F Pace SVR
RSQ8
GLE63
X5M
DBX
Cayenne
Eletre (Not sure if this would work for your location though)
Thanks.RSQ8
GLE63
X5M
DBX
Cayenne
Eletre (Not sure if this would work for your location though)
I am not so interested in Audi and BMW which I find not interesting and not inspiring cars. I looked at the DBX (having already a DB9GT), which I consider as absolutely ugly. The Cayenne is a bit too common. Eletre I did not know, I have to check. I did not know about the F Pace SVR, interesting, not expensive and short length, I hope the suspension is comfortable despite the SVR badge though....
Edited by SpookyTheFirst on Sunday 14th January 12:37
Dracoro said:
Presumably the OP can just keep his current RR? Or, as he said was OK with used, buy a used one?
Yes I could but I would like to have something more refined, the new RRS is better. The problem of used ones is that they are very rare in V8 and often in black interior and exterior which I dislike.Harry Flashman said:
If you need proper offroad, Cayenne. Quite capable, locking diffs etc. Proper 4x3, rather than AWD.
That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
My concern for driving on slippery surfaces is the capability to break. I don't want an Audi, and the 7 is too big.That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
SpookyTheFirst said:
Harry Flashman said:
If you need proper offroad, Cayenne. Quite capable, locking diffs etc. Proper 4x3, rather than AWD.
That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
My concern for driving on slippery surfaces is the capability to break. I don't want an Audi, and the 7 is too big.That said, I use an Audi SQ7 (7 seats and interesting engine) in snow, and it's perfectly fine on the right tyres, despite being just AWD. Not expensive for what you get. Vorsprung spec gets you everything, although the self-drive stuff is assisted drive, not true self driving.
But I also had a Range Rover for a while (the big one, though I think the Sport uses a similarly advanced 4x4 system) and there is a lot more ability to customize your settings in LR products and the Cayenne. For example, full offroad height is only available in lift/offroad mode in the Audi, than via the very convenient ride height controls that LR and Porsche have. So actually, I'd say that deep, unploughed snow is where the Audi will be annoying, as you need to be using lift/offroad to get the full lift. That said, lift/offroad works very well for me in such conditions, as youre unlikely to be hooning around. But LR do all of it, including the smart and auto modes, better than anyone else.
As you said, the Q7 is a big car: but weirdly small boot due to the sloping roofline. Missed opportunity there, packaging-wise. Discovery and XC90 do it a lot better, in seat SUV land. And the cabin is black and boring. LR do a great interior.
But the engine, and the drive. Well, that's what I like. Imperious, fast (torque/in-gear shove is hilarious) and 40mpg on a fast tour (in 440bhp V8 diesel flavour anyway - the 507bhp petrol will be like your RR on fuel). The diesel engine makes LRs diesel units seem agricultural technology, and even the V8 petrol seem a bit crude. It's the only diesel engine I have ever truly lived in a car. It's amazing, along with Audi's take on the ZF auto box.
My perfect car would be a Vogue Autobiography with 7 seats, and the Audi's engine and build quality.
I know exactly where you are coming from, in not wanting an Audi. The SQ7 is an easy car to like and admire for its capabilities, but a hard car to love. It was easy to love my Range Rover despite its niggling issues and slightly rubbish-feeling Ford based TDV8 engine. It's a tool, rather than an enthusiast's choice, even in sQ flavour. Even my wife, who made me buy a 7 seater and agreed with the choice of Audi, after living with the RR's constant niggles for too long, misses our Range Rover.
And I'd rather have a Merc AMG product than an RSQ8. A friend has a GLE63. It is a lovely thing.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Sunday 14th January 14:16
Harry Flashman said:
Brakes are excellent on slippery surfaces, and better than those in any other SUV i have driven. They are oversized for S/RS models thogh, which is an annoyance as the smallest wheels i can fit are 20s. The do-anything Allroad mode is great in snow and ice. I drive all over the Alps in winter in it.
But I also had a Range Rover for a while (the big one, though I think the Sport uses a similarly advanced 4x4 system) and there is a lot more ability to customize your settings in LR products and the Cayenne. For example, full offroad height is only available in lift/offroad mode in the Audi, than via the very convenient ride height controls that LR and Porsche have. So actually, I'd say that deep, unploughed snow is where the Audi will be annoying, as you need to be using lift/offroad to get the full lift. That said, lift/offroad works very well for me in such conditions, as youre unlikely to be hooning around. But LR do all of it, including the smart and auto modes, better than anyone else.
As you said, the Q7 is a big car: but weirdly small boot due to the sloping roofline. Missed opportunity there, packaging-wise. Discovery and XC90 do it a lot better, in seat SUV land. And the cabin is black and boring. LR do a great interior.
But the engine, and the drive. Well, that's what I like. Imperious, fast (torque/in-gear shove is hilarious) and 40mpg on a fast tour (in 440bhp V8 diesel flavour anyway - the 507bhp petrol will be like your RR on fuel). The diesel engine makes LRs diesel units seem agricultural technology, and even the V8 petrol seem a bit crude. It's the only diesel engine I have ever truly lived in a car. It's amazing, along with Audi's take on the ZF auto box.
My perfect car would be a Vogue Autobiography with 7 seats, and the Audi's engine and build quality.
I know exactly where you are coming from, in not wanting an Audi. The SQ7 is an easy car to like and admire for its capabilities, but a hard car to love. It was easy to love my Range Rover despite its niggling issues and slightly rubbish-feeling Ford based TDV8 engine. It's a tool, rather than an enthusiast's choice, even in sQ flavour. Even my wife, who made me buy a 7 seater and agreed with the choice of Audi, after living with the RR's constant niggles for too long, misses our Range Rover.
And I'd rather have a Merc AMG product than an RSQ8. A friend has a GLE63. It is a lovely thing.
Thanks for the answer, the GLE63 used or maybe the GLE53 used seems a compelling option, maybe in Coupe.But I also had a Range Rover for a while (the big one, though I think the Sport uses a similarly advanced 4x4 system) and there is a lot more ability to customize your settings in LR products and the Cayenne. For example, full offroad height is only available in lift/offroad mode in the Audi, than via the very convenient ride height controls that LR and Porsche have. So actually, I'd say that deep, unploughed snow is where the Audi will be annoying, as you need to be using lift/offroad to get the full lift. That said, lift/offroad works very well for me in such conditions, as youre unlikely to be hooning around. But LR do all of it, including the smart and auto modes, better than anyone else.
As you said, the Q7 is a big car: but weirdly small boot due to the sloping roofline. Missed opportunity there, packaging-wise. Discovery and XC90 do it a lot better, in seat SUV land. And the cabin is black and boring. LR do a great interior.
But the engine, and the drive. Well, that's what I like. Imperious, fast (torque/in-gear shove is hilarious) and 40mpg on a fast tour (in 440bhp V8 diesel flavour anyway - the 507bhp petrol will be like your RR on fuel). The diesel engine makes LRs diesel units seem agricultural technology, and even the V8 petrol seem a bit crude. It's the only diesel engine I have ever truly lived in a car. It's amazing, along with Audi's take on the ZF auto box.
My perfect car would be a Vogue Autobiography with 7 seats, and the Audi's engine and build quality.
I know exactly where you are coming from, in not wanting an Audi. The SQ7 is an easy car to like and admire for its capabilities, but a hard car to love. It was easy to love my Range Rover despite its niggling issues and slightly rubbish-feeling Ford based TDV8 engine. It's a tool, rather than an enthusiast's choice, even in sQ flavour. Even my wife, who made me buy a 7 seater and agreed with the choice of Audi, after living with the RR's constant niggles for too long, misses our Range Rover.
And I'd rather have a Merc AMG product than an RSQ8. A friend has a GLE63. It is a lovely thing.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Sunday 14th January 14:16
I have a Cayenne GTS. Surprisingly capable in the snow. Tested out the braking in snow down a steep hill last week and it still impresses me 10 years into owning it.
As others have said, tyres are critical. I had a set that was terrible in snow. It just slid down the road. I have Michelin pilot sport 4 seasons on now. They are good but not as good as the Continental DSW06 I had on before. The continentals are not available in th UK but might in Europe. My friends all hate continental so think I’m mad for saying they are better.
I have to agree that Cayennes are popular. The difference between a $70k Cayenne and a $200k Cayenne might be yellow calipers from the outside. They are popular for a reason. They are good cars. Also, you can spec a “good” looking Cayenne. My gen GTS stood out from the model range. Today, if you got for the lightweight package on a GTS it looks like the GT. It’s only a $2k tune to having more horse power as well.
I grew up with range rovers but when it came to buy a car I couldn’t take the risk. I know for every thread like this there are owners that say they only had a few problems. I think Range Rover owner’s tolerance to faults is much higher than average because all data points at unreliability.
As others have said, tyres are critical. I had a set that was terrible in snow. It just slid down the road. I have Michelin pilot sport 4 seasons on now. They are good but not as good as the Continental DSW06 I had on before. The continentals are not available in th UK but might in Europe. My friends all hate continental so think I’m mad for saying they are better.
I have to agree that Cayennes are popular. The difference between a $70k Cayenne and a $200k Cayenne might be yellow calipers from the outside. They are popular for a reason. They are good cars. Also, you can spec a “good” looking Cayenne. My gen GTS stood out from the model range. Today, if you got for the lightweight package on a GTS it looks like the GT. It’s only a $2k tune to having more horse power as well.
I grew up with range rovers but when it came to buy a car I couldn’t take the risk. I know for every thread like this there are owners that say they only had a few problems. I think Range Rover owner’s tolerance to faults is much higher than average because all data points at unreliability.
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