GT86 sweet spot
Discussion
With the GT86 being mentioned on another thread I've been looking at them again today. They still look pricey and don't seem to have been hit much by recent falls in the market or surprisingly the winter months. I read an article recently which called them a 'future classic', a phrase I usually find pretty meaningless. But if you're after a 4 seat rwd sports car and can't run to a 911 or an Evora then your options are fairly limited. The obvious drawback seems to be a lack of power but on paper it's similar to a 2.0 mx5 and most don't have an issue with them.
I'd really like to drive one in the new year to see what they're actually like. But my question is where is the sweet spot in terms of value?
£12k looks to be the starting point for a nice early one with sensible miles and good history. £15k might get a 2016 car which could potentially have a couple of years warranty if serviced at Toyota. IMO the facelift models don't actually look as good. They have cheaper tax from 2017 but I'm not sure what other upgrades they have if any. Are they worth the extra?
I'd really like to drive one in the new year to see what they're actually like. But my question is where is the sweet spot in terms of value?
£12k looks to be the starting point for a nice early one with sensible miles and good history. £15k might get a 2016 car which could potentially have a couple of years warranty if serviced at Toyota. IMO the facelift models don't actually look as good. They have cheaper tax from 2017 but I'm not sure what other upgrades they have if any. Are they worth the extra?
I think that, as with most private sellers, many are in dreamland with their asking prices. And I say that as a GT86 owner who’s likely to be advertising once Winter’s done with.
On the owners groups there are a number of pre-facelifts with average mileage (60-90k) that are sticking around, but again I suppose this is no different to the rest of the market.
Valve spring recall should have been done on all pre-2014 models, and a lot of examples will have had a tune to reduce/remove the infamous torque flat-spot.
I suppose the sweet spot depends on your budget and planned usage, but I’d like to think you could pick a pre-facelift up that’s standard or OEM-plus with average miles for anything from £10k.
On the owners groups there are a number of pre-facelifts with average mileage (60-90k) that are sticking around, but again I suppose this is no different to the rest of the market.
Valve spring recall should have been done on all pre-2014 models, and a lot of examples will have had a tune to reduce/remove the infamous torque flat-spot.
I suppose the sweet spot depends on your budget and planned usage, but I’d like to think you could pick a pre-facelift up that’s standard or OEM-plus with average miles for anything from £10k.
My car change budget has been 20k for the last few months but I've sat on that due to the changing market and not being able to find anything that really excites me.
I feel like 15k would be the most I'd pay for a GT86 and I'd probably keep it 3 years. Ideally I want an mx5 ND2 but not sure I could manage without occasional back seats just yet so the Toyota could be a good stepping stone. I've had a Celica and an mr2 in the past and really enjoyed them.
Doesn't look to be many for sale near me but there's no rush. I'd like to see how the market settles over the next few months.
I feel like 15k would be the most I'd pay for a GT86 and I'd probably keep it 3 years. Ideally I want an mx5 ND2 but not sure I could manage without occasional back seats just yet so the Toyota could be a good stepping stone. I've had a Celica and an mr2 in the past and really enjoyed them.
Doesn't look to be many for sale near me but there's no rush. I'd like to see how the market settles over the next few months.
I paid just under £15k for mine this year. 2014 with 45k miles and Toyota FSH. Thankfully the previous owner had upgraded to a higher capacity battery which is definitely something I would look out for or do yourself if you get one.
Thought I’d maybe want to do something with the power coming from a 300bhp hot hatch but tbh I love it the way it is.
Only criticisms really are the sound system and lack of steering wheel buttons which I think you do maybe get in the facelift versions.
Thought I’d maybe want to do something with the power coming from a 300bhp hot hatch but tbh I love it the way it is.
Only criticisms really are the sound system and lack of steering wheel buttons which I think you do maybe get in the facelift versions.
SteBrown91 said:
The prices of them seem to be a bit silly.
A mate of mine part ex’d his 2012 86 in like 2016ish for about 13 grand and tbh that was about the market value for it at the time.
I remember a couple of years ago high mileage but nice ones were sub 8 grand - now they are like 11k plus.
Feel free to go buy a new one instead. A mate of mine part ex’d his 2012 86 in like 2016ish for about 13 grand and tbh that was about the market value for it at the time.
I remember a couple of years ago high mileage but nice ones were sub 8 grand - now they are like 11k plus.
Demand. Supply.
I get it about prices. I know things have changed but I bought my Celica T sport at 10 years old for £2995. Also the mr2 at 8 years old and just 50k miles for £2500. Big difference now for a 10 year old GT86.
This looks about the best I can see right now.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023092724...
Or maybe pay out for one quite a bit newer.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023120646...
£6k more for a car which is 6 years younger and the facelift model.
This is what I mean by 'sweet spot'. It's hard to gauge which represents best value as prices vary a lot on these.
This looks about the best I can see right now.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023092724...
Or maybe pay out for one quite a bit newer.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023120646...
£6k more for a car which is 6 years younger and the facelift model.
This is what I mean by 'sweet spot'. It's hard to gauge which represents best value as prices vary a lot on these.
grumbledoak said:
SteBrown91 said:
The prices of them seem to be a bit silly.
A mate of mine part ex’d his 2012 86 in like 2016ish for about 13 grand and tbh that was about the market value for it at the time.
I remember a couple of years ago high mileage but nice ones were sub 8 grand - now they are like 11k plus.
Feel free to go buy a new one instead. A mate of mine part ex’d his 2012 86 in like 2016ish for about 13 grand and tbh that was about the market value for it at the time.
I remember a couple of years ago high mileage but nice ones were sub 8 grand - now they are like 11k plus.
Demand. Supply.
They aren’t that good a car - they are a nice enough but are overhyped in my opinion.
SteBrown91 said:
Someone’s been on the Christmas brave juice.
They aren’t that good a car - they are a nice enough but are overhyped in my opinion.
They were pretty much in a class of their own, there never were many of them, and there won't be any more. They will find their own price.They aren’t that good a car - they are a nice enough but are overhyped in my opinion.
I think they're expensive due to lack of alternatives. Also because Toyota is now cool with the GR range.
It is incredible that a 3 year old approved used one is under 20k but an 11 year old one is still 12k. If they maintain that depreciation curve then a newer one could be a decent buy.
What puts me off spending near 20k is the kind of competition at that price. Similar aged Alfa Giulia Veloce or BMW M240i if you want rwd, or the usual gathering of proper hot hatches all pushing 300bhp. Then there's cars like the Audi TTS which have 4wd and offer 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
I've already kind of decided I don't really want or need to spend 20k on a car and the cheaper end seem to make more sense.
It is incredible that a 3 year old approved used one is under 20k but an 11 year old one is still 12k. If they maintain that depreciation curve then a newer one could be a decent buy.
What puts me off spending near 20k is the kind of competition at that price. Similar aged Alfa Giulia Veloce or BMW M240i if you want rwd, or the usual gathering of proper hot hatches all pushing 300bhp. Then there's cars like the Audi TTS which have 4wd and offer 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
I've already kind of decided I don't really want or need to spend 20k on a car and the cheaper end seem to make more sense.
ChrisH72 said:
I think they're expensive due to lack of alternatives. Also because Toyota is now cool with the GR range.
It is incredible that a 3 year old approved used one is under 20k but an 11 year old one is still 12k. If they maintain that depreciation curve then a newer one could be a decent buy.
What puts me off spending near 20k is the kind of competition at that price. Similar aged Alfa Giulia Veloce or BMW M240i if you want rwd, or the usual gathering of proper hot hatches all pushing 300bhp. Then there's cars like the Audi TTS which have 4wd and offer 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
I've already kind of decided I don't really want or need to spend 20k on a car and the cheaper end seem to make more sense.
When I bought mine I would never have considered any 4 door car as competition, or the hot hatches. Even the 2 series is pushing it. Yes maybe the Audi TT but more likely the MX-5 or the Cayman if you can stomach the bills.It is incredible that a 3 year old approved used one is under 20k but an 11 year old one is still 12k. If they maintain that depreciation curve then a newer one could be a decent buy.
What puts me off spending near 20k is the kind of competition at that price. Similar aged Alfa Giulia Veloce or BMW M240i if you want rwd, or the usual gathering of proper hot hatches all pushing 300bhp. Then there's cars like the Audi TTS which have 4wd and offer 0-60 in 4.6 seconds.
I've already kind of decided I don't really want or need to spend 20k on a car and the cheaper end seem to make more sense.
Bear in mind that these were made to be modified and many have done so. Opinion is often that they have made the car worse as a road car by doing this.
I would get the newest unmodified car you can afford. They aren't making any more.
Zarco said:
I looked at these a bit early this year. Seemed silly money compared to an MX5, which in my book is a very similar proposition.
Both are cheap, reliable, RWD sports cars, and lots of fun for really very little money. There are of course far more MX-5s to choose from so prices are lower.ChrisH72 said:
Zarco said:
I looked at these a bit early this year. Seemed silly money compared to an MX5, which in my book is a very similar proposition.
Except that the mx5 has just 2 seats and a tiny boot.If it weren't for that I'd go mx5
It's funny as I like them. Just not enough to pay the asking prices.
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