What type of car to get next - fun vs sensible vs both!
Discussion
Okay so ill cut to the chase. Ive had my N52 powered E82 for 2 years now that i use for commuting/work duties (i have a fuel allowance thank god!).After missing having something RWD i was quite taken back when i took a 130i on a test drive on a whim. So with that I carefully searched for something with that straight 6.
Admittedly i was also drawn in by how ‘bulletproof’ the N52 is reported to be but they are indeed certainly not without they’re annoying problems.
So far ownership has been a mixed bag with experiencing quite a few of the common problems popping up since ive owned it and i have quite quickly discovered that doing any sort of maintenance on this age of BMW really is no fun at all. The most recent mishap being an FRM module going pop after fitting a replacement battery! Theres also the usual BMW battle of fighting leaks, oil usage, coding everything and the judgement of owning a BMW!
Admittedly using it as a daily has taken some shine off of it but it is at a stage where it is starting to feel like a dog drive and like its going to need a good chunk of money spent on it to get it driving well - nothing glaringly bad (also diagnostic scan car regularly) but something certainly feels off. I find i am now hankering after something easier and more fun to drive and with less maintenance.
Ive toyed with selling before and made posts about it but only for something like for like - GT86 and previous Fiesta ST were main contenders. However in truth if i did sell i dont really know what the best option would be considering where and how i use my car.
I’ve listed some options below and would be interested to see what route people would go.
- Downgrade to something very economical and small with low miles, worth less or about the same as my 125i. Toyota Aygo/ Honda Jazz. Prices of those have really shot up and id imagine a lot of that is down to ulez.
- Keep the 125i and put up with it feeling a bit flaky until something that actually needs fixing breaks. I always do the most basic maintenance..oil/filters/brakes/coils etc. Upgrades would be nice but i need to get on top of the maintenance first!
- Suck it up and fork out for something newer and more expensive. Not usually my preferred option as I usually like to own my cars outright. Get something with a manufacturers warranty on it still and keep hold if it for a few years. Some nice hot hatches (mk8 st, i20n) would fit the bill nicely as theyre small, economical and fun.
Either that or go for something sensible in the way of current or recent gen Volvo V40, Ford Focus, Honda Civic (this would most likely still involve financing but would be a bit cheaper and maybe safer than the hot hatch options)
- The final option being owning a first car that covers the work duties - something fairly cheap like the first option along side a fun second car like an MX5, MR2, S2000. Ive always wanted a lotus elise but even heavily used ones appear to be strong prices these days. Having two cars would probably be my best option but i always wonder if the running of two cars ends up as a false economy. Theres then also the space required for two cars.
I usually default back to just running my BMW into the ground then something else needs attention and i get more and more frustrated. This takes up more headspace than id like! :lol: so want to try and make some sort of sense of my options!
Admittedly i was also drawn in by how ‘bulletproof’ the N52 is reported to be but they are indeed certainly not without they’re annoying problems.
So far ownership has been a mixed bag with experiencing quite a few of the common problems popping up since ive owned it and i have quite quickly discovered that doing any sort of maintenance on this age of BMW really is no fun at all. The most recent mishap being an FRM module going pop after fitting a replacement battery! Theres also the usual BMW battle of fighting leaks, oil usage, coding everything and the judgement of owning a BMW!
Admittedly using it as a daily has taken some shine off of it but it is at a stage where it is starting to feel like a dog drive and like its going to need a good chunk of money spent on it to get it driving well - nothing glaringly bad (also diagnostic scan car regularly) but something certainly feels off. I find i am now hankering after something easier and more fun to drive and with less maintenance.
Ive toyed with selling before and made posts about it but only for something like for like - GT86 and previous Fiesta ST were main contenders. However in truth if i did sell i dont really know what the best option would be considering where and how i use my car.
I’ve listed some options below and would be interested to see what route people would go.
- Downgrade to something very economical and small with low miles, worth less or about the same as my 125i. Toyota Aygo/ Honda Jazz. Prices of those have really shot up and id imagine a lot of that is down to ulez.
- Keep the 125i and put up with it feeling a bit flaky until something that actually needs fixing breaks. I always do the most basic maintenance..oil/filters/brakes/coils etc. Upgrades would be nice but i need to get on top of the maintenance first!
- Suck it up and fork out for something newer and more expensive. Not usually my preferred option as I usually like to own my cars outright. Get something with a manufacturers warranty on it still and keep hold if it for a few years. Some nice hot hatches (mk8 st, i20n) would fit the bill nicely as theyre small, economical and fun.
Either that or go for something sensible in the way of current or recent gen Volvo V40, Ford Focus, Honda Civic (this would most likely still involve financing but would be a bit cheaper and maybe safer than the hot hatch options)
- The final option being owning a first car that covers the work duties - something fairly cheap like the first option along side a fun second car like an MX5, MR2, S2000. Ive always wanted a lotus elise but even heavily used ones appear to be strong prices these days. Having two cars would probably be my best option but i always wonder if the running of two cars ends up as a false economy. Theres then also the space required for two cars.
I usually default back to just running my BMW into the ground then something else needs attention and i get more and more frustrated. This takes up more headspace than id like! :lol: so want to try and make some sort of sense of my options!
Edited by E82_125i on Friday 22 December 11:51
Edited by E82_125i on Friday 22 December 11:54
Fun Cars: Sports cars like the Mazda MX-5, Porsche 911, or high-performance models from brands like BMW or Mercedes-Benz.
Sensible Cars: Compact cars like the Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla, or practical SUVs like the Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV4.
Both: Hot hatches like the Volkswagen Golf GTI, Subaru WRX, or performance-oriented SUVs like the Porsche Macan.
Sensible Cars: Compact cars like the Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla, or practical SUVs like the Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV4.
Both: Hot hatches like the Volkswagen Golf GTI, Subaru WRX, or performance-oriented SUVs like the Porsche Macan.
Good options here. Thank you, just need to work out what works best for a car i use for work that also ticks tge boxes. Another contender id like to add is the current gen mini. Ive heard the current engines are much more reliable than the old Prince bssed engines. However its the link to BMW that still makes me wary.
E82_125i said:
Okay so ill cut to the chase. Ive had my N52 powered E82 for 2 years now that i use for commuting/work duties (i have a fuel allowance thank god!).After missing having something RWD i was quite taken back when i took a 130i on a test drive on a whim. So with that I carefully searched for something with that straight 6.
Admittedly i was also drawn in by how ‘bulletproof’ the N52 is reported to be but they are indeed certainly not without they’re annoying problems.
So far ownership has been a mixed bag with experiencing quite a few of the common problems popping up since ive owned it and i have quite quickly discovered that doing any sort of maintenance on this age of BMW really is no fun at all. The most recent mishap being an FRM module going pop after fitting a replacement battery! Theres also the usual BMW battle of fighting leaks, oil usage, coding everything and the judgement of owning a BMW!
Admittedly using it as a daily has taken some shine off of it but it is at a stage where it is starting to feel like a dog drive and like its going to need a good chunk of money spent on it to get it driving well - nothing glaringly bad (also diagnostic scan car regularly) but something certainly feels off. I find i am now hankering after something easier and more fun to drive and with less maintenance.
Ive toyed with selling before and made posts about it but only for something like for like - GT86 and previous Fiesta ST were main contenders. However in truth if i did sell i dont really know what the best option would be considering where and how i use my car.
I’ve listed some options below and would be interested to see what route people would go.
- Downgrade to something very economical and small with low miles, worth less or about the same as my 125i. Toyota Aygo/ Honda Jazz. Prices of those have really shot up and id imagine a lot of that is down to ulez.
- Keep the 125i and put up with it feeling a bit flaky until something that actually needs fixing breaks. I always do the most basic maintenance..oil/filters/brakes/coils etc. Upgrades would be nice but i need to get on top of the maintenance first!
- Suck it up and fork out for something newer and more expensive. Not usually my preferred option as I usually like to own my cars outright. Get something with a manufacturers warranty on it still and keep hold if it for a few years. Some nice hot hatches (mk8 st, i20n) would fit the bill nicely as theyre small, economical and fun.
Either that or go for something sensible in the way of current or recent gen Volvo V40, Ford Focus, Honda Civic (this would most likely still involve financing but would be a bit cheaper and maybe safer than the hot hatch options)
- The final option being owning a first car that covers the work duties - something fairly cheap like the first option along side a fun second car like an MX5, MR2, S2000. Ive always wanted a lotus elise but even heavily used ones appear to be strong prices these days. Having two cars would probably be my best option but i always wonder if the running of two cars ends up as a false economy. Theres then also the space required for two cars.
I usually default back to just running my BMW into the ground then something else needs attention and i get more and more frustrated. This takes up more headspace than id like! :lol: so want to try and make some sort of sense of my options!
‘ Okay so I’ll cut to the chase.’’ (Quote) - but you didn’t!Admittedly i was also drawn in by how ‘bulletproof’ the N52 is reported to be but they are indeed certainly not without they’re annoying problems.
So far ownership has been a mixed bag with experiencing quite a few of the common problems popping up since ive owned it and i have quite quickly discovered that doing any sort of maintenance on this age of BMW really is no fun at all. The most recent mishap being an FRM module going pop after fitting a replacement battery! Theres also the usual BMW battle of fighting leaks, oil usage, coding everything and the judgement of owning a BMW!
Admittedly using it as a daily has taken some shine off of it but it is at a stage where it is starting to feel like a dog drive and like its going to need a good chunk of money spent on it to get it driving well - nothing glaringly bad (also diagnostic scan car regularly) but something certainly feels off. I find i am now hankering after something easier and more fun to drive and with less maintenance.
Ive toyed with selling before and made posts about it but only for something like for like - GT86 and previous Fiesta ST were main contenders. However in truth if i did sell i dont really know what the best option would be considering where and how i use my car.
I’ve listed some options below and would be interested to see what route people would go.
- Downgrade to something very economical and small with low miles, worth less or about the same as my 125i. Toyota Aygo/ Honda Jazz. Prices of those have really shot up and id imagine a lot of that is down to ulez.
- Keep the 125i and put up with it feeling a bit flaky until something that actually needs fixing breaks. I always do the most basic maintenance..oil/filters/brakes/coils etc. Upgrades would be nice but i need to get on top of the maintenance first!
- Suck it up and fork out for something newer and more expensive. Not usually my preferred option as I usually like to own my cars outright. Get something with a manufacturers warranty on it still and keep hold if it for a few years. Some nice hot hatches (mk8 st, i20n) would fit the bill nicely as theyre small, economical and fun.
Either that or go for something sensible in the way of current or recent gen Volvo V40, Ford Focus, Honda Civic (this would most likely still involve financing but would be a bit cheaper and maybe safer than the hot hatch options)
- The final option being owning a first car that covers the work duties - something fairly cheap like the first option along side a fun second car like an MX5, MR2, S2000. Ive always wanted a lotus elise but even heavily used ones appear to be strong prices these days. Having two cars would probably be my best option but i always wonder if the running of two cars ends up as a false economy. Theres then also the space required for two cars.
I usually default back to just running my BMW into the ground then something else needs attention and i get more and more frustrated. This takes up more headspace than id like! :lol: so want to try and make some sort of sense of my options!
Edited by E82_125i on Friday 22 December 11:51
Edited by E82_125i on Friday 22 December 11:54
Get one of these & have money left to buy a fun car:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311274...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311284...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311224...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311224...
Or get the full fat version which is a properly (only the Megane RS with the Cup Chassis is better) sorted hot hatch that can do daily duties as well:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307310...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312164...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312134...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311274...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311284...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311224...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311224...
Or get the full fat version which is a properly (only the Megane RS with the Cup Chassis is better) sorted hot hatch that can do daily duties as well:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307310...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312164...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312134...
Pica-Pica said:
‘ Okay so I’ll cut to the chase.’’ (Quote) - but you didn’t!
Because the ownership of this car has been a bit of a saga and have had some long standing annoyances with it. I didnt want to go into too much detail and ive been debating shifting it on for a while because of this. If i knew what my best option would be then I would have done so but keep chopping and changing cars get’s expensive very quickly. I've gone the 2 car route.
My daily is a 2005 BMW 330i with the "Bullet Proof" N52 engine and so far it has proved to be just that (currently on 123K miles). It's just other issues I've had, like a split wire in the loom on the boot-lid, rear shocks & top mounts, a failed rear door lock blowing the central locking fuse, etc. So I've had a £400ish bill each year, but I can live with that given it is costing me nothing in depreciation!
And I can't think of anything I'd rather have - well apart from a 130i but one of those would cost thousands more and not be much of an upgrade.
Would a GT86 be an option? You'd still have RWD and they do seem to drive well.
My daily is a 2005 BMW 330i with the "Bullet Proof" N52 engine and so far it has proved to be just that (currently on 123K miles). It's just other issues I've had, like a split wire in the loom on the boot-lid, rear shocks & top mounts, a failed rear door lock blowing the central locking fuse, etc. So I've had a £400ish bill each year, but I can live with that given it is costing me nothing in depreciation!
And I can't think of anything I'd rather have - well apart from a 130i but one of those would cost thousands more and not be much of an upgrade.
Would a GT86 be an option? You'd still have RWD and they do seem to drive well.
I really want to like the GT86 but even early ones which are now over 10 years old seem to be £12k for decent examples. It's a car which certainly hasn't been affected by recent price falls or seasonal adjustments.
The 2 car route is appealing but you have to factor in double the cost of service, maintenance, insurance and tax. And it also depends how much drive space you have.
The 2 car route is appealing but you have to factor in double the cost of service, maintenance, insurance and tax. And it also depends how much drive space you have.
Mr Tidy said:
I've gone the 2 car route.
My daily is a 2005 BMW 330i with the "Bullet Proof" N52 engine and so far it has proved to be just that (currently on 123K miles). It's just other issues I've had, like a split wire in the loom on the boot-lid, rear shocks & top mounts, a failed rear door lock blowing the central locking fuse, etc. So I've had a £400ish bill each year, but I can live with that given it is costing me nothing in depreciation!
And I can't think of anything I'd rather have - well apart from a 130i but one of those would cost thousands more and not be much of an upgrade.
Would a GT86 be an option? You'd still have RWD and they do seem to drive well.
Thats definitely an option. I havent tried one yet but would very much like too. My fear is that it would be a little too nice/impractical to use for work duties if it was my only car. Given the prices of them it likely would be. The reported lack of low end grunt makes it sound as though it wouldn’t be suited for driving around town but i am yet to judge.My daily is a 2005 BMW 330i with the "Bullet Proof" N52 engine and so far it has proved to be just that (currently on 123K miles). It's just other issues I've had, like a split wire in the loom on the boot-lid, rear shocks & top mounts, a failed rear door lock blowing the central locking fuse, etc. So I've had a £400ish bill each year, but I can live with that given it is costing me nothing in depreciation!
And I can't think of anything I'd rather have - well apart from a 130i but one of those would cost thousands more and not be much of an upgrade.
Would a GT86 be an option? You'd still have RWD and they do seem to drive well.
Out of interest what is your second car? Id love to run a rwd two seater if i did.
My only worry is that with two cars, theres two lots of running costs….tax, insurance, consumables so could potentially get expensive if both were older cars.
I've had the mk7 Fiesta ST3 as my daily for the last 3 and a half years. Before that I had a 325i coupe but I got fed up with BMW running costs. I honestly don't miss it a bit as the ST is excellent for what I need.
I'd still like a 2 seat rwd sports car but can't really fit it on the drive alongside the ST and my wife's car. Can't justify the extra cost either. I still need rear seats as we have an 8yr old who needs running about to places and at the moment I can't think of a better solution than a hot hatch.
Mk7 ST
208 by PS
Abarth 595
Astra GTC VXR
You could get any of them under £10k and they shouldn't cost much to run.
I'd still like a 2 seat rwd sports car but can't really fit it on the drive alongside the ST and my wife's car. Can't justify the extra cost either. I still need rear seats as we have an 8yr old who needs running about to places and at the moment I can't think of a better solution than a hot hatch.
Mk7 ST
208 by PS
Abarth 595
Astra GTC VXR
You could get any of them under £10k and they shouldn't cost much to run.
I’d say it all depends on when and where you get to do the fun driving.
If you can regularly get out for a fun drive and rarely have any fun on the daily commute then a 2 car solution makes a lot of sense. If, on the other hand, it happens sporadically during a work related journey, or when you take the long way home from work, it makes more sense to go for single car solution.
The ‘fun car’ will always feel more special, but often doesn’t get as much use as originally planned.
If you can regularly get out for a fun drive and rarely have any fun on the daily commute then a 2 car solution makes a lot of sense. If, on the other hand, it happens sporadically during a work related journey, or when you take the long way home from work, it makes more sense to go for single car solution.
The ‘fun car’ will always feel more special, but often doesn’t get as much use as originally planned.
E82_125i said:
Good options here. Thank you, just need to work out what works best for a car i use for work that also ticks tge boxes. Another contender id like to add is the current gen mini. Ive heard the current engines are much more reliable than the old Prince bssed engines. However its the link to BMW that still makes me wary.
They are basically BMWs. The latest ones are not labeled F series for nothing. Look at the photos of the interior, switch gear, software, and they are the same. They use the same B38/48 engines. It depends how much you will actually use a second car and how much you use your daily I suppose.
I do like having two cars but having one sat in the garage most of the time costing money can become a questionable decision. With daft hours at work and not getting the chance at work it has become a chore. However I suck it up as when I do use it Iits fantastic.
I do to many miles to have a fun daily. But if I didn’t I’d be tempted with a hot hatch as a do everything car. Gt86 is a great shout.
I do like having two cars but having one sat in the garage most of the time costing money can become a questionable decision. With daft hours at work and not getting the chance at work it has become a chore. However I suck it up as when I do use it Iits fantastic.
I do to many miles to have a fun daily. But if I didn’t I’d be tempted with a hot hatch as a do everything car. Gt86 is a great shout.
Having multiple cars is great if you have the time, inclination and funds to keep them all going.
For years I had a hot hatch as a daily (M135 and 2 LEON Cupras) and an MR2 toy.
The Cupras are very capable and make a great daily. A later post 2018 with a DSG gearbox is a great daily. 30 mpg however it’s driven. 40mpg if you want to. More power and spec as standard than a golf gti.
For me I don’t want to have a daily “shed” that you drive the most to have a much better car in the garage. And don’t get me wrong, I love a shed (I have one at the moment) but I wouldn’t want to spend too much time in it.
How many miles are you doing for work/commuting?
For years I had a hot hatch as a daily (M135 and 2 LEON Cupras) and an MR2 toy.
The Cupras are very capable and make a great daily. A later post 2018 with a DSG gearbox is a great daily. 30 mpg however it’s driven. 40mpg if you want to. More power and spec as standard than a golf gti.
For me I don’t want to have a daily “shed” that you drive the most to have a much better car in the garage. And don’t get me wrong, I love a shed (I have one at the moment) but I wouldn’t want to spend too much time in it.
How many miles are you doing for work/commuting?
E82_125i said:
Thats definitely an option. I havent tried one yet but would very much like too. My fear is that it would be a little too nice/impractical to use for work duties if it was my only car. Given the prices of them it likely would be. The reported lack of low end grunt makes it sound as though it wouldn’t be suited for driving around town but i am yet to judge.
Out of interest what is your second car? Id love to run a rwd two seater if i did.
My only worry is that with two cars, theres two lots of running costs….tax, insurance, consumables so could potentially get expensive if both were older cars.
I have to say from what you describe a hot hatch will suit you better they'll be a much better steer than what you have now as well as being practical & you'll have more go along with the extra low down torque to make daily duties a breeze.Out of interest what is your second car? Id love to run a rwd two seater if i did.
My only worry is that with two cars, theres two lots of running costs….tax, insurance, consumables so could potentially get expensive if both were older cars.
Running costs on a full fat or junior hot hatch will be sensible too.
Also consider the warm versions too,
survivalist said:
I’d say it all depends on when and where you get to do the fun driving.
If you can regularly get out for a fun drive and rarely have any fun on the daily commute then a 2 car solution makes a lot of sense. If, on the other hand, it happens sporadically during a work related journey, or when you take the long way home from work, it makes more sense to go for single car solution.
The ‘fun car’ will always feel more special, but often doesn’t get as much use as originally planned.
The roads i tend to drive on admittedly are awful. I tend to drive around surrey and the fringes of outer london. Theres stop start driving involved and occasionally i will hit a road where you can stretch your legs but a lot of the roads are now at a 20mph limit and ulez! Thankfully im exempt from that. If you can regularly get out for a fun drive and rarely have any fun on the daily commute then a 2 car solution makes a lot of sense. If, on the other hand, it happens sporadically during a work related journey, or when you take the long way home from work, it makes more sense to go for single car solution.
The ‘fun car’ will always feel more special, but often doesn’t get as much use as originally planned.
At the weekends ill occasionally go on a longer run somewhere with nice roads but we often tend to take my other halfs car which is an A1 diesel (decent little car surprisingly) as its very economical. However this is what makes me wonder if a second car is necessary.
More often than not, given where i drive, I wonder if i should just make do with a little cheap city car and put aside the luxuries.
MR2 Steve said:
Having multiple cars is great if you have the time, inclination and funds to keep them all going.
For years I had a hot hatch as a daily (M135 and 2 LEON Cupras) and an MR2 toy.
The Cupras are very capable and make a great daily. A later post 2018 with a DSG gearbox is a great daily. 30 mpg however it’s driven. 40mpg if you want to. More power and spec as standard than a golf gti.
For me I don’t want to have a daily “shed” that you drive the most to have a much better car in the garage. And don’t get me wrong, I love a shed (I have one at the moment) but I wouldn’t want to spend too much time in it.
How many miles are you doing for work/commuting?
That sounds like a nice line up! I do have a soft spot for Cupras but had my fingers burnt by a VW Golf Gti with the same engine years ago so have sort have sworn off VW group cars…however the Skodia Octavia does look very appealing. For years I had a hot hatch as a daily (M135 and 2 LEON Cupras) and an MR2 toy.
The Cupras are very capable and make a great daily. A later post 2018 with a DSG gearbox is a great daily. 30 mpg however it’s driven. 40mpg if you want to. More power and spec as standard than a golf gti.
For me I don’t want to have a daily “shed” that you drive the most to have a much better car in the garage. And don’t get me wrong, I love a shed (I have one at the moment) but I wouldn’t want to spend too much time in it.
How many miles are you doing for work/commuting?
I dont do a great amount of miles, around 20-45 at an absolute max. Part of the reason why i wasnt too bothered by a thirster N52…given the size of the engine i think theyre not too bad on fuel.
Part of me wants to try and get the 1 series to a good state where I’ve refreshed a few parts and it feels a bit nicer to drive. They are quite rare in manual form and is sort of an end of an era for that type of car but some days where the stupid niggles rear their head and im stuck crawling along trying to put up with the heavy controls in traffic and around town i start getting a bit frustrated with it.
I wouldn’t say it feels special enough to warrant having it as a second car. Id say thats more reserved for the Z4 or an M car but i do wonder if using a car like this daily is a bit mad!
I do love hot hatches and only went for this car because it was a bit different to what im used to. If i did I certainly go for something modern with a punchy turbo engine and low running costs with at least a few luxuries. I do think i have fallen into the comfort of not having to worry about car finance for a while so its going to take some weighing up to do as its quite a long term commitment.
E82_125i said:
Thats definitely an option. I havent tried one yet but would very much like too. My fear is that it would be a little too nice/impractical to use for work duties if it was my only car. Given the prices of them it likely would be. The reported lack of low end grunt makes it sound as though it wouldn’t be suited for driving around town but i am yet to judge.
Out of interest what is your second car? Id love to run a rwd two seater if i did.
My only worry is that with two cars, theres two lots of running costs….tax, insurance, consumables so could potentially get expensive if both were older cars.
I think a GT86 would be OK at lower speeds, you might just have to hang on to lower gears a bit. Out of interest what is your second car? Id love to run a rwd two seater if i did.
My only worry is that with two cars, theres two lots of running costs….tax, insurance, consumables so could potentially get expensive if both were older cars.
My second car is a BMW Z4M Coupe, and you're right is does get expensive especially Road Tax but I'm only going to be here once!
I had a couple of 3 litre Z4 Coupes previously and you'd find one of those a very different experience to your 125i, even if they do both have an N52 engine.
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