Exciting Citroen Diesel
Discussion
Looking ahead to my next runaround / semi tip car. Budget 6G.
Fuel economy is a priority, as is boot space - not bothered about rear passenger space.
Seems like a car with the PSA 1.6 blueHDI would offer the best economy. I like the Citroen designs -
The C4 Cactus is listed at 950kg kerbweight compared to about 1300kg for the C4? I'd really like a light car, I drove one and seemed solid enough? 80mpg combined?
The C4 Cactus offers a bit more boot space than the DS4, about 400 litres, but more is more.
The C5 is interesting but old and loses a bit of mpg. I don't really understand the rest of the range, the Picasso is a bit too MPV for me.
Is there an equivalent Peugeot worth looking at, I really liked a 407 I had a few years ago and that had the right size boot.
Fuel economy is a priority, as is boot space - not bothered about rear passenger space.
Seems like a car with the PSA 1.6 blueHDI would offer the best economy. I like the Citroen designs -
The C4 Cactus is listed at 950kg kerbweight compared to about 1300kg for the C4? I'd really like a light car, I drove one and seemed solid enough? 80mpg combined?
The C4 Cactus offers a bit more boot space than the DS4, about 400 litres, but more is more.
The C5 is interesting but old and loses a bit of mpg. I don't really understand the rest of the range, the Picasso is a bit too MPV for me.
Is there an equivalent Peugeot worth looking at, I really liked a 407 I had a few years ago and that had the right size boot.
I've got a cactus diesel. I've never seen 80mpg but 70mpg is doable if you trundle along the motorway at around 60mph
£0 a year car tax, although you may want to find one that has had the adblue tank replaced. Fairly common fault and can be £1k+ fix if citroen don't contribute towards it. Luckily mine was just outside of warranty so they covered it all.
I believe the petrols are under a ton, but the heavy diesel engine and adblue gubbins make it around 1100kg.
Very marmite in looks, I loved it when I bought it but now I'm not a fan but with car prices being crazy still I'm in no rush to change it as its a known quantity that has been reliable for the miles I've put on (bought on 13k now on 80k).
If you do go for one, look for a 'flair' trim level car. Gets all the mod cons (reverse camera/sat nav/climate control) and aren't usually too much more than a lesser spec.
£0 a year car tax, although you may want to find one that has had the adblue tank replaced. Fairly common fault and can be £1k+ fix if citroen don't contribute towards it. Luckily mine was just outside of warranty so they covered it all.
I believe the petrols are under a ton, but the heavy diesel engine and adblue gubbins make it around 1100kg.
Very marmite in looks, I loved it when I bought it but now I'm not a fan but with car prices being crazy still I'm in no rush to change it as its a known quantity that has been reliable for the miles I've put on (bought on 13k now on 80k).
If you do go for one, look for a 'flair' trim level car. Gets all the mod cons (reverse camera/sat nav/climate control) and aren't usually too much more than a lesser spec.
WonkeyDonkey said:
I've got a cactus diesel. I've never seen 80mpg but 70mpg is doable if you trundle along the motorway at around 60mph
£0 a year car tax, although you may want to find one that has had the adblue tank replaced. Fairly common fault and can be £1k+ fix if citroen don't contribute towards it. Luckily mine was just outside of warranty so they covered it all.
I believe the petrols are under a ton, but the heavy diesel engine and adblue gubbins make it around 1100kg.
Very marmite in looks, I loved it when I bought it but now I'm not a fan but with car prices being crazy still I'm in no rush to change it as its a known quantity that has been reliable for the miles I've put on (bought on 13k now on 80k).
If you do go for one, look for a 'flair' trim level car. Gets all the mod cons (reverse camera/sat nav/climate control) and aren't usually too much more than a lesser spec.
That’s interesting thanks - is yours one of the “blue efficiency” type models presumably?£0 a year car tax, although you may want to find one that has had the adblue tank replaced. Fairly common fault and can be £1k+ fix if citroen don't contribute towards it. Luckily mine was just outside of warranty so they covered it all.
I believe the petrols are under a ton, but the heavy diesel engine and adblue gubbins make it around 1100kg.
Very marmite in looks, I loved it when I bought it but now I'm not a fan but with car prices being crazy still I'm in no rush to change it as its a known quantity that has been reliable for the miles I've put on (bought on 13k now on 80k).
If you do go for one, look for a 'flair' trim level car. Gets all the mod cons (reverse camera/sat nav/climate control) and aren't usually too much more than a lesser spec.
Largechris said:
That’s interesting thanks - is yours one of the “blue efficiency” type models presumably?
Yeah bluehdi I think it is. Doesn't use a massive amount of adblue, although the tank is on the large size at 17L and is a pain to fill as it's under the boot carpet/spare wheel if you have one. Largechris said:
SidewaysSi said:
Go Berlingo MS.
Please can you expand on that?My C3 Picasso is the older 1.6 diesel, without an Adblue tank. It uses a simpler additive system called Eolys, which needs filling or replacing after 70k+ miles. This seems to be much less problematic than Adblue.
The C3 Picasso has plenty of space inside for a relatively small footprint, and is fine to drive. Mine has been remapped to 120bhp, so reasonable performance. I get a real 60mpg in mixed driving
I have a C5 Tourer.
I’m not sure I’d describe anything about it as exciting but it’s got the fancy hydropneumatic suspension which is super comfy but also corners flat at seemingly any speed, lots of equipment, good boot space, and the 165 bhp version of the 2 litre turbo diesel which is tremendously capable and it gathers speed in a most satisfying way.
It is a marvellous car.
Fuel economy I don’t know because being French it’s all in Roman Catholic, but it tells me a full tank will take me 1200km
I had the older version of the 1.6 diesel in a Ford Focus and in my opinion it wasn’t a very good engine: not powerful enough, not refined enough and a dodgy flat spot around 2500 revs when the dpf did it’s thing. I would avoid any of the 1.6 diesels after that experience.
I’m not sure I’d describe anything about it as exciting but it’s got the fancy hydropneumatic suspension which is super comfy but also corners flat at seemingly any speed, lots of equipment, good boot space, and the 165 bhp version of the 2 litre turbo diesel which is tremendously capable and it gathers speed in a most satisfying way.
It is a marvellous car.
Fuel economy I don’t know because being French it’s all in Roman Catholic, but it tells me a full tank will take me 1200km
I had the older version of the 1.6 diesel in a Ford Focus and in my opinion it wasn’t a very good engine: not powerful enough, not refined enough and a dodgy flat spot around 2500 revs when the dpf did it’s thing. I would avoid any of the 1.6 diesels after that experience.
Edited by Sebastian Tombs on Wednesday 20th July 17:10
Sebastian Tombs said:
I have a C5 Tourer.
I’m not sure I’d describe anything about it as exciting but it’s got the fancy hydropneumatic suspension which is super comfy but also corners flat at seemingly any speed, lots of equipment, good boot space, and the 165 bhp version of the 2 litre turbo diesel which is tremendously capable and it gathers speed in a most satisfying way.
It is a marvellous car.
Fuel economy I don’t know because being French it’s all in Roman Catholic, but it tells me a full tank will take me 1200km
I had the older version of the 1.6 diesel in a Ford Focus and in my opinion it wasn’t a very good engine: not powerful enough, not refined enough and a dodgy flat spot around 2500 revs when the dpf did it’s thing. I would avoid any of the 1.6 diesels after that experience.
Excellent info many thanks I’m not sure I’d describe anything about it as exciting but it’s got the fancy hydropneumatic suspension which is super comfy but also corners flat at seemingly any speed, lots of equipment, good boot space, and the 165 bhp version of the 2 litre turbo diesel which is tremendously capable and it gathers speed in a most satisfying way.
It is a marvellous car.
Fuel economy I don’t know because being French it’s all in Roman Catholic, but it tells me a full tank will take me 1200km
I had the older version of the 1.6 diesel in a Ford Focus and in my opinion it wasn’t a very good engine: not powerful enough, not refined enough and a dodgy flat spot around 2500 revs when the dpf did it’s thing. I would avoid any of the 1.6 diesels after that experience.
Edited by Sebastian Tombs on Wednesday 20th July 17:10
Largechris said:
Looking ahead to my next runaround / semi tip car. Budget 6G.
Fuel economy is a priority, as is boot space - not bothered about rear passenger space.
Seems like a car with the PSA 1.6 blueHDI would offer the best economy. I like the Citroen designs -
The C4 Cactus is listed at 950kg kerbweight compared to about 1300kg for the C4? I'd really like a light car, I drove one and seemed solid enough? 80mpg combined?
The C4 Cactus offers a bit more boot space than the DS4, about 400 litres, but more is more.
The C5 is interesting but old and loses a bit of mpg. I don't really understand the rest of the range, the Picasso is a bit too MPV for me.
Is there an equivalent Peugeot worth looking at, I really liked a 407 I had a few years ago and that had the right size boot.
The 2.0hdi is a better engine & with less borkage potential, so for me I'd be looking at the DS5 they're nicely in budget:Fuel economy is a priority, as is boot space - not bothered about rear passenger space.
Seems like a car with the PSA 1.6 blueHDI would offer the best economy. I like the Citroen designs -
The C4 Cactus is listed at 950kg kerbweight compared to about 1300kg for the C4? I'd really like a light car, I drove one and seemed solid enough? 80mpg combined?
The C4 Cactus offers a bit more boot space than the DS4, about 400 litres, but more is more.
The C5 is interesting but old and loses a bit of mpg. I don't really understand the rest of the range, the Picasso is a bit too MPV for me.
Is there an equivalent Peugeot worth looking at, I really liked a 407 I had a few years ago and that had the right size boot.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206096...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204214...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
The other obvious answer is the Insignia in SRI form:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207097...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
A good buy at your price point the last of the line Laguna, the 2.0d drivetrain is well proven & you'll get a good one under budget:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202112...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204275...
ZX10R NIN said:
The 2.0hdi is a better engine & with less borkage potential, so for me I'd be looking at the DS5 they're nicely in budget:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206096...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204214...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
The other obvious answer is the Insignia in SRI form:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207097...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
A good buy at your price point the last of the line Laguna, the 2.0d drivetrain is well proven & you'll get a good one under budget:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202112...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204275...
Again interesting, thanks - https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202206096...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204214...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
The other obvious answer is the Insignia in SRI form:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207097...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202207207...
A good buy at your price point the last of the line Laguna, the 2.0d drivetrain is well proven & you'll get a good one under budget:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205055...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202112...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202204275...
The DS5 I really want to like but the design doesn't quite fit my eye and the boot seems slightly comprimised, also the mpg and road tax is quite a bit worse than the C4 1.6.
The Insignia I've had before and really liked, I could definitely live with it, just fancy something French.
The Laguna again seems like similar mpg and road tax to the DS5 which I don't think is going to quite do it.
Is the Peugeot 508 worth a look, seems to be more of them available?
Largechris said:
Again interesting, thanks -
The DS5 I really want to like but the design doesn't quite fit my eye and the boot seems slightly comprimised, also the mpg and road tax is quite a bit worse than the C4 1.6.
The Insignia I've had before and really liked, I could definitely live with it, just fancy something French.
The Laguna again seems like similar mpg and road tax to the DS5 which I don't think is going to quite do it.
Is the Peugeot 508 worth a look, seems to be more of them available?
The thing is when you go to this size of car the real world difference between the 1.6d & the 2.0d is smaller than on paper because you tend to work the 1.6d harder vs the 2.0d.The DS5 I really want to like but the design doesn't quite fit my eye and the boot seems slightly comprimised, also the mpg and road tax is quite a bit worse than the C4 1.6.
The Insignia I've had before and really liked, I could definitely live with it, just fancy something French.
The Laguna again seems like similar mpg and road tax to the DS5 which I don't think is going to quite do it.
Is the Peugeot 508 worth a look, seems to be more of them available?
As I said earlier the potential borkage that the 1.6d comes with (which could easily wipeout any savings made on fuel & tax) would make me go for the more reliable 2.0d.
Peugeot & Citroen use the same engines, so the 508 is a good option.
You can also get the cactus (2014-2017 euro4) without adblue, the power is turned down a little but a remap will bring power and torque up. Another advantage of this version is no TPM as standard so no hassle with that either as they are both problematic with age.
I service and repair these motors and I wouldn't say the 1.6hdi is a problematic engine if it has had the oil changed annually. The 2.0 hdi engine is tops for reliability and power tho.
I have a DS5 2.0 family car, and if you need a big boot then this isnt the car for you, it's quite cosy inside for such a large footprint. The weight is because it's a pug 3008 that's been lowered to the floor, and as such is also very low going over ramps etc. But all suspension and chassis items are nice and chunky for a family hatch.
I service and repair these motors and I wouldn't say the 1.6hdi is a problematic engine if it has had the oil changed annually. The 2.0 hdi engine is tops for reliability and power tho.
I have a DS5 2.0 family car, and if you need a big boot then this isnt the car for you, it's quite cosy inside for such a large footprint. The weight is because it's a pug 3008 that's been lowered to the floor, and as such is also very low going over ramps etc. But all suspension and chassis items are nice and chunky for a family hatch.
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