Petrol engine with diesel torque curve?
Petrol engine with diesel torque curve?
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Zerosumgame

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114 posts

68 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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I am looking for superlatives here - petrol engined cars that have diesel like torque curves - i.e. most of the torque is delivered below say 3000 revs. Any ideas?

BlueJ

405 posts

73 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Surely most turbocharged petrol engines, the bigger the better?

For example F90 M5 has peak torque at 1,800 rpm, and lots of turbo petrols have peak torque band 2,000 - (say) 4,500 / 4,800 revs.

Kinnellephant

3 posts

51 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Mazda 3 MPS? I think it's 3k for peak torque

anonymous-user

82 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Even my little 1.5 86 BHP diesel Renault Megane produces 200 Nm (147.51 lb.-ft) @ 1900 Rpm.

Interesting enough, this is the exact same amount of Torque a Clio 172 produces but at 5400RPM.

I think I have just worked out why I hate naturally aspirated petrol engines. As others have said, the only way you will get that sort of torque with a petrol is if it is turbocharged.

Would a big naturally aspirated V8 produce similar figures to a diesel?



brillomaster

1,835 posts

198 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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it might produce similar torque levels, (ie a lot) but it wont have the same torque curve. a big n/a v8 will likely have a very flat torque curve all the way to the redline pretty much.

a petrol engine with a curve like a diesel might be a very small, highly turbocharged engine. like a ford ecoboost 1.0. absolutely nothing until the turbo kicks in, then all the torque, then almost certainly drops back off again if you take it over 4000rpm.

ScoobyChris

2,300 posts

230 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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brillomaster said:
absolutely nothing until the turbo kicks in, then all the torque, then almost certainly drops back off again if you take it over 4000rpm.
That sounds exactly like a diesel then winkbiggrin

Chris


georgeyboy12345

4,569 posts

63 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Something with an undersquare turbocharged engine

njw1

2,748 posts

139 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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I've found that old n/a pusrod v6 and v8's have a very similar power delivery to a modern(ish) turbo diesel as in they have loads of low down torque but are out of puff by about 5k rpm.

RoVoFob

1,575 posts

186 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Zerosumgame said:
I am looking for superlatives here - petrol engined cars that have diesel like torque curves - i.e. most of the torque is delivered below say 3000 revs. Any ideas?
Are you looking for appealing petrol engines with a broad spread or torque or simply those that tail off early, so they’re the most diesel-like? Loads of turbocharged petrols produce max torque early, but they generally hold onto it until higher revs than most diesels can rev to. The E90 BMW 335i comes to mind. Think max torque starts at 1,300rpm.

As for non-turbocharged petrols, the Passat R36 produces maximum torque from 2,400rpm to 5,300rpm, which I think is pretty impressive, considering max power comes in at 6,600rpm…

raspy

2,714 posts

122 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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My C350e petrol plug in hybrid has a combined 600nm of torque between 1,200 and 4,000 rpm. Certainly feels similar pulling power like a strong diesel.

georgeyboy12345

4,569 posts

63 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Similar to my PHEV Audi A3 e-tron, 244 lbft from 0 rpm, max. torque of 258 lb ft at 1500 - 3500 rpm.

Pica-Pica

16,442 posts

112 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Plenty around. Skoda Fabia 1.2 TSi … In fact all VW group TSi engines

exelero

2,081 posts

117 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Zerosumgame said:
I am looking for superlatives here - petrol engined cars that have diesel like torque curves - i.e. most of the torque is delivered below say 3000 revs. Any ideas?
A mapped Saab 2.0T is the only good answer here smile

cerb4.5lee

43,829 posts

208 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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My old F56 Cooper S(B48 2.0 turbo petrol 4 cyl) was quite diesel like in its delivery. Torque came in really low at 1200rpm so it felt torquey low to mid range, however it had nothing above 5500rpm(redline 6500rpm) though.

Watchthis

585 posts

90 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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I have a 320i with the B48 engine, remapped and "pulls like a train" as they say

LeeM135i

711 posts

82 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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My wife's Mercedes B200 (2017 1.6 turbo) drives like a diesel, good low down torque and all done by 3,500 to 4,000 rpm.

Gary C

15,101 posts

207 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Zerosumgame said:
I am looking for superlatives here - petrol engined cars that have diesel like torque curves - i.e. most of the torque is delivered below say 3000 revs. Any ideas?
Superlatives = the form of an adjective or adverb that expresses that the thing or person being described has more of the particular quality than anything or anyone else of the same type:

Not sure what you want here ?

Petrol engines that are more diesely than a diesel or the petrol engine with the most lowdown torque ?


Of course, for me its the worst characteristic of a diesel engine that all the torque is low down and done by 5000rpm which is just when I want an engine to be coming to life so I might totally have the wrong end of the stick smile

Monkeylegend

28,969 posts

259 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Watchthis said:
I have a 320i with the B48 engine, remapped and "pulls like a train" as they say
I have the 528i with the same engine.

What is yours remapped to?

ITwannabe

13 posts

55 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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Another for b207/2.0l turbo Saab - slug of torque between 1,500 and 3,500rpm then fairly linear.

The issue you have and that diesel driving mates commented is that the rev range is just plain larger with a petrol. We were getting up onto a 60mph limit dual carriageway and it’s very easy to go from rolling in 2nd to 60 with the rev range. Impossible with a diesel.

juice

9,819 posts

310 months

Tuesday 24th May 2022
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6.75 in the Bentley/RR