41k miles on 9 year old seat Leon fr.
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Hi guys I'm currently looking at a 12 plate seat Leon fr 170 TDI, I'm a bit concerned at the mileage tho as it has only done just over 40k miles mostly doing 4-5k miles per year bar one year when it done 10k miles. The car does have full service history but you would see the mileage as a warning sign as far as possible dpf problems?
Edited by Skeoch25 on Monday 7th June 08:06
Skeoch25 said:
Hi guys I'm currently looking at a 12 plate seat Leon fr 170 TDI, I'm a bit concerned at the mileage tho as it has only done just over 40k miles mostly doing 4-5k miles per year bar one year when it done 10k miles. The car does have full service history but would see the mileage as a warning sign?
What would you prefer the mileage to be? For a daily beater I’m the other way.
Low mileage cars attract a premium I’ll not pay.
I seek out high mileage cars that have been used everyday and with good service history. And buy them cheaper.
Then accept that each year there’s always a few jobs tacked into the service sheet, normally associated with suspension / bushes.
ie looking at cars now - 5 years old, 150k miles, less than 20% of cost when new.
IME age deteriorates a car harder than miles do.
Low mileage cars attract a premium I’ll not pay.
I seek out high mileage cars that have been used everyday and with good service history. And buy them cheaper.
Then accept that each year there’s always a few jobs tacked into the service sheet, normally associated with suspension / bushes.
ie looking at cars now - 5 years old, 150k miles, less than 20% of cost when new.
IME age deteriorates a car harder than miles do.
Skeoch25 said:
I thought that could possibly cause dpf issues if it has done low miles over a long period of time?
Low millage over long periods does not cause dpf issuesLots of short journeys is what causes spf issue's
It's possible that the car has done a few longer journeys then not been used a lot in between
Skeoch25 said:
Hi guys I'm currently looking at a 12 plate seat Leon fr 170 TDI, I'm a bit concerned at the mileage tho as it has only done just over 40k miles mostly doing 4-5k miles per year bar one year when it done 10k miles. The car does have full service history but you would see the mileage as a warning sign as far as possible dpf problems?
Do 12 year old Seat Leons have a DPF?Edited by Skeoch25 on Monday 7th June 08:06
Scrump said:
It may have done lots of short journeys, or it may have done occasional long journeys.
Could be this. My Discovery 4 has done about 2000 miles in the last 18 months (I have an EV for 99% of my everyday journeys), but none of that mileage has been for trips less than 180 miles. It's basically only been out a handful of times but every one has been long journeys of up to 400 miles in a go. I never use it for short runs unless I have to like it's been loaded up with stuff for the tip. Full day motorway journeys that are hours and hours long though, its a great choice. Total waste of time and money owning the Disco to be honest, but I like it and don't want to get rid while I can afford to have it stood there! As above it depends how it's been driven.
I only rack up 8k miles a year, the majority are on the 250 miles each way drive to the office I do every month, perfect for a diesel.
My wife drives 12k a year and its mostly short in town journeys, not perfect for a diesel.
Has it been serviced every year or is it on a long life plan which VW's can suffer from.
I only rack up 8k miles a year, the majority are on the 250 miles each way drive to the office I do every month, perfect for a diesel.
My wife drives 12k a year and its mostly short in town journeys, not perfect for a diesel.
Has it been serviced every year or is it on a long life plan which VW's can suffer from.
The spinner of plates said:
For a daily beater I’m the other way.
Low mileage cars attract a premium I’ll not pay.
I seek out high mileage cars that have been used everyday and with good service history. And buy them cheaper.
Then accept that each year there’s always a few jobs tacked into the service sheet, normally associated with suspension / bushes.
ie looking at cars now - 5 years old, 150k miles, less than 20% of cost when new.
IME age deteriorates a car harder than miles do.
^^ this, get some absolute bargains if your careful, I often seek cars when they have done over 100k+ and sort by age (newest) - don't ever get the low mileage premium on a daily cars.Low mileage cars attract a premium I’ll not pay.
I seek out high mileage cars that have been used everyday and with good service history. And buy them cheaper.
Then accept that each year there’s always a few jobs tacked into the service sheet, normally associated with suspension / bushes.
ie looking at cars now - 5 years old, 150k miles, less than 20% of cost when new.
IME age deteriorates a car harder than miles do.
Skeoch25 said:
Hi guys I'm currently looking at a 12 plate seat Leon fr 170 TDI, I'm a bit concerned at the mileage tho as it has only done just over 40k miles mostly doing 4-5k miles per year bar one year when it done 10k miles. The car does have full service history but you would see the mileage as a warning sign as far as possible dpf problems?
Have you spoken to the Owner? They might have done lots of small regular journeys, or very few journeys but they are all long distance. Edited by Skeoch25 on Monday 7th June 08:06
I once bought a 13 year old diesel that had only done 17k miles and that was fine.
LeeM135i said:
As above it depends how it's been driven.
I only rack up 8k miles a year, the majority are on the 250 miles each way drive to the office I do every month, perfect for a diesel.
My wife drives 12k a year and its mostly short in town journeys, not perfect for a diesel.
Has it been serviced every year or is it on a long life plan which VW's can suffer from.
Shouldn't make any odds these days - although not sure if applies back to 2012, think it does on VAG cars. They never passive regen in UK conditions - the dpf doesn't get anywhere near hot enough. They active regen as needed. Main thing is not to interupt active regen too often - on wife's Tiguan it's not obvious it's doing it until you get out of the car and hear the fan roaring.I only rack up 8k miles a year, the majority are on the 250 miles each way drive to the office I do every month, perfect for a diesel.
My wife drives 12k a year and its mostly short in town journeys, not perfect for a diesel.
Has it been serviced every year or is it on a long life plan which VW's can suffer from.
We did a fast 300 mile trip over the M62 one weekend then next morning on the school run it did an active regen. Seems to do something like every 300 miles. On her car (with the later EA288 diesel) the ecu will trigger a regen if it hasn't done one for 465 miles.
Think the car the OP is looking at is EA189 engine - the one subject to emissions recall. Seems lots of reports of the car being messed up if the recall work is done.
Don't follow Leon at all, but 2012 is near the end of that version's run. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.
As others have pointed out, total mileage is not the concern, rather the length of those journeys.
My wife has a 330D and her commute to work three days a week is 3-4 miles each way but 2-3 time a month she does a 50-60 mile each way journey to see family etc. The 330D was 5 years old with only 15k miles on the clock, I have no idea how it was driven previously.
We bought a diesel as finding a 335i/340i in the spec and colour we wanted was like trying to find rocking horse poop. For every 50 diesels we found, there were maybe 2 petrols.
My wife has a 330D and her commute to work three days a week is 3-4 miles each way but 2-3 time a month she does a 50-60 mile each way journey to see family etc. The 330D was 5 years old with only 15k miles on the clock, I have no idea how it was driven previously.
We bought a diesel as finding a 335i/340i in the spec and colour we wanted was like trying to find rocking horse poop. For every 50 diesels we found, there were maybe 2 petrols.
I'm assuming that's the same engine as my 2009 Octavia. It wouldn't worry me at all. If there's a DPF issue the light would be on, otherwise it might be in need of a regen cycle but it'll do it as soon as you start doing longer journeys.
The active regen cycle, where the ECU deliberately buggers about with the fueling to get a higher temperature, only takes something like 15 minutes once the engine is warm, and if it decides it needs to do one, it'll keep trying until it manages a full cycle, or eventually the DPF light will come on.
The active regen cycle, where the ECU deliberately buggers about with the fueling to get a higher temperature, only takes something like 15 minutes once the engine is warm, and if it decides it needs to do one, it'll keep trying until it manages a full cycle, or eventually the DPF light will come on.
RizzoTheRat said:
I'm assuming that's the same engine as my 2009 Octavia. It wouldn't worry me at all. If there's a DPF issue the light would be on, otherwise it might be in need of a regen cycle but it'll do it as soon as you start doing longer journeys.
The active regen cycle, where the ECU deliberately buggers about with the fueling to get a higher temperature, only takes something like 15 minutes once the engine is warm, and if it decides it needs to do one, it'll keep trying until it manages a full cycle, or eventually the DPF light will come on.
Yes - if you were doing nothing else but 3 or 4 mile trips that took 10 mins, you'd fairly quickly get in trouble. But otherwise should (famous last words) be fine. Ours never routinely does more than about 8 miles and even that is a pretty quick trip, time wise.The active regen cycle, where the ECU deliberately buggers about with the fueling to get a higher temperature, only takes something like 15 minutes once the engine is warm, and if it decides it needs to do one, it'll keep trying until it manages a full cycle, or eventually the DPF light will come on.
We do only ever run it on Shell V Power though.
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