EVs... no one wants them!

[Dave200]

Tindersticks said:

Not a track car is it. You're never getting close to those limits on the road. Not even remotely close. Beats me why'd you'd buy that car and track it, but then I think the same about most cars that are designed for road use.

Indeed. It's only on track because the Youtuber is a massive attention seeker.

[ruggedscotty]

greenarrow said:

Talking of Tesla, anyone seen the video of Misha Charoudin taking the latest facelift M3P around the 'ring? It cooked its brakes within half a lap and he had to slow down when he lost about 50% power, end result, lap time of around 9 mins... he was very complimentary about the handling and it was doing a good job of keeping sight of a hotted up racing liveried M2 Comp, but that has to be the fastest brake fade I have seen on any car featured on his channel. Stock brakes apparently.

Thank god I saw this, was able to cancel my order for the M3P, cant have this, I mean brake fade, 50% power loss.... damn it How could I get along the high street and get home ? Jings heavens calamity.

Oh wait....

Im not driving it like a loon, its an electric car with a bit of a sporty flair. id probs never drive it within 6/8 of its performance. it would suit me for all my driving needs.

[greenarrow]

ruggedscotty said:

Thank god I saw this, was able to cancel my order for the M3P, cant have this, I mean brake fade, 50% power loss.... damn it How could I get along the high street and get home ? Jings heavens calamity.

Oh wait....

Im not driving it like a loon, its an electric car with a bit of a sporty flair. id probs never drive it within 6/8 of its performance. it would suit me for all my driving needs.

wow...triggered.....

[Dave200]

greenarrow said:

ruggedscotty said:

Thank god I saw this, was able to cancel my order for the M3P, cant have this, I mean brake fade, 50% power loss.... damn it How could I get along the high street and get home ? Jings heavens calamity.

Oh wait....

Im not driving it like a loon, its an electric car with a bit of a sporty flair. id probs never drive it within 6/8 of its performance. it would suit me for all my driving needs.

wow...triggered.....

I think you might need to look up the word "triggered".

[Longy00000]

Don't think he needs to?

There are pages of posts in this thread from certain posters waxing lyrical on the performance of EVs, the supercar slaying abilities of daily EVs and so forth. Including a load of posts suggesting they handle better because they carry their 2 and half tonne bulk so low down (not something i would agree with personally)
Beyond a standing start I've found most of them to be very lack lustre in performance terms especially at high speeds and definitely in the braking capacity.
So I think it's fair for someone to post a contra argument on a 'performance,' basis given the many claims made by others in support of their superlative performance abilities. Thus I don't think he needs to be derided for the post made.
Just my tuppence worth and yes I have skin in both games

[nickfrog]

Longy00000 said:

Don't think he needs to?

There are pages of posts in this thread from certain posters waxing lyrical on the performance of EVs, the supercar slaying abilities of daily EVs and so forth. Including a load of posts suggesting they handle better because they carry their 2 and half tonne bulk so low down (not something i would agree with personally)

In the context of a mere road car I haven't seen anyone saying that, I have seen people explaining that most of the added weight can be offset by the weight being lower down. I don't have any data though.

In addition, I think a lower PMOI can only be a good thing.

I don't see anyone being triggered although I am not even sure what that means.

[greenarrow]

Longy00000 said:

Don't think he needs to?

There are pages of posts in this thread from certain posters waxing lyrical on the performance of EVs, the supercar slaying abilities of daily EVs and so forth. Including a load of posts suggesting they handle better because they carry their 2 and half tonne bulk so low down (not something i would agree with personally)
Beyond a standing start I've found most of them to be very lack lustre in performance terms especially at high speeds and definitely in the braking capacity.
So I think it's fair for someone to post a contra argument on a 'performance,' basis given the many claims made by others in support of their superlative performance abilities. Thus I don't think he needs to be derided for the post made.
Just my tuppence worth and yes I have skin in both games

Yeah exactly, it was an extreme reaction to a fairly innocent post and shows how defensive people can be, especially it seems Tesla owners!! I was only surprised at the degregation of the Tesla brakes, because I saw Misha cane a Kia EV6 GT around there on an earlier video and it survived the lap with no such issues, plus to be fair Tesla owners have been achieving some success in clubsport track events, showing that the vehicle does appeal to track day users, so it is not unreasonable to be surprised that the performance model suffered such issues, given that it is in many ways the BMW 3 series' BEV spiritual successor.

Anyone who has seen my posts will note that they are fairly balanced, usually asking questions about various EVs if anything as I've made it clear on more than one occasion that I am starting to lean towards a BEV purchase next time....

As DA commented yesterday in a post, no need for anyone to go into full "spilt my pint" mode

[Tindersticks]

[Dave200]

Longy00000 said:

Don't think he needs to?

There are pages of posts in this thread from certain posters waxing lyrical on the performance of EVs, the supercar slaying abilities of daily EVs and so forth. Including a load of posts suggesting they handle better because they carry their 2 and half tonne bulk so low down (not something i would agree with personally)
Beyond a standing start I've found most of them to be very lack lustre in performance terms especially at high speeds and definitely in the braking capacity.
So I think it's fair for someone to post a contra argument on a 'performance,' basis given the many claims made by others in support of their superlative performance abilities. Thus I don't think he needs to be derided for the post made.
Just my tuppence worth and yes I have skin in both games

I think you're trying a bit too hard there.

The headline is basically "standard road car gets driven hard by attention-seeker around world's longest race track".

It's just an EV that has a fun acceleration trick. Nobody expects it to be hammering around the Ring.

[FWIW]

Longy00000 said:

Don't think he needs to?

There are pages of posts in this thread from certain posters waxing lyrical on the performance of EVs, the supercar slaying abilities of daily EVs and so forth. Including a load of posts suggesting they handle better because they carry their 2 and half tonne bulk so low down (not something i would agree with personally)
Beyond a standing start I've found most of them to be very lack lustre in performance terms especially at high speeds and definitely in the braking capacity.
So I think it's fair for someone to post a contra argument on a 'performance,' basis given the many claims made by others in support of their superlative performance abilities. Thus I don't think he needs to be derided for the post made.
Just my tuppence worth and yes I have skin in both games

Wow…triggered…

[survivalist]

Dave200 said:

Tindersticks said:

Not a track car is it. You're never getting close to those limits on the road. Not even remotely close. Beats me why'd you'd buy that car and track it, but then I think the same about most cars that are designed for road use.

Indeed. It's only on track because the Youtuber is a massive attention seeker.

Tesla market it as a performance/sports saloon. Current lease / PCP deals (how 90%+ of new cars are acquired)) on them in the same bracket as a BMW M3, of which you see plenty on track days.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable that people are interested in how it performs (or doesn’t) on track.

Edited by survivalist on Thursday 11th July 20:22

[Dave200]

survivalist said:

Dave200 said:

Tindersticks said:

Not a track car is it. You're never getting close to those limits on the road. Not even remotely close. Beats me why'd you'd buy that car and track it, but then I think the same about most cars that are designed for road use.

Indeed. It's only on track because the Youtuber is a massive attention seeker.

Tesla market it as a performance/sports saloon. Current lease / PCP deals (how 90%+ of new cars are acquired)) our them in the same bracket as a BMW M3, of which you see plenty on track days.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable that people are interested in how it performs (or doesn’t) on track.

Less than 1% of cars I've seen on trackdays have been brand new. Less than 0.001% of cars I've seen on trackdays have been EVs.

It's just a complete nothingburger of a story. "Car not designed to go around track struggles to go around track".

As an aside, the new M3 is around 50% more expensive than the model 3 performance. Not really the same bracket.

[Tindersticks]

survivalist said:

Tesla market it as a performance/sports saloon. Current lease / PCP deals (how 90%+ of new cars are acquired)) on them in the same bracket as a BMW M3, of which you see plenty on track days.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable that people are interested in how it performs (or doesn’t) on track.

Edited by survivalist on Thursday 11th July 20:22

So the definition of a car designed for track use is now monthlies. Riiiiight.

[survivalist]

Dave200 said:

survivalist said:

Dave200 said:

Tindersticks said:

Not a track car is it. You're never getting close to those limits on the road. Not even remotely close. Beats me why'd you'd buy that car and track it, but then I think the same about most cars that are designed for road use.

Indeed. It's only on track because the Youtuber is a massive attention seeker.

Tesla market it as a performance/sports saloon. Current lease / PCP deals (how 90%+ of new cars are acquired)) our them in the same bracket as a BMW M3, of which you see plenty on track days.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable that people are interested in how it performs (or doesn’t) on track.

Less than 1% of cars I've seen on trackdays have been brand new. Less than 0.001% of cars I've seen on trackdays have been EVs.

It's just a complete nothingburger of a story. "Car not designed to go around track struggles to go around track".

As an aside, the new M3 is around 50% more expensive than the model 3 performance. Not really the same bracket.

You’re right of course. No performance car was ever tested and refined at the Nurburgring.

As I said, Tesla Model 3 performance and BMW M3 are similar in terms of monthly cost, which is how the overwhelming majority of new vehicles are acquired.

List prices are pretty much irrelevant these days.

[survivalist]

Tindersticks said:

survivalist said:

Tesla market it as a performance/sports saloon. Current lease / PCP deals (how 90%+ of new cars are acquired)) on them in the same bracket as a BMW M3, of which you see plenty on track days.

Doesn’t seem unreasonable that people are interested in how it performs (or doesn’t) on track.

Edited by survivalist on Thursday 11th July 20:22

So the definition of a car designed for track use is now monthlies. Riiiiight.

People seem to be very defensive about this. Not sure why.

The point is that by calling it the performance model (and it being a saloon car and all) people might want to use for activities that people use performance saloons for.

It this case it seems to fall short. Which is fine, but doesn’t make someone taking round a track any less valid.

Oh, and it has a track mode, which is something that only performance models have. But that’s obviously not meant to suggest people might use it on the track

[Tindersticks]

Because you’ve decided to introduce some weird arbitrary monthly payment amount into the equation. That’s very very weird.

Cars also have launch control but we don’t expect them to go into space.

[survivalist]

Tindersticks said:

Because you’ve decided to introduce some weird arbitrary monthly payment amount into the equation. That’s very very weird.

Cars also have launch control but we don’t expect them to go into space.

I’ve not introduced anything. The manufacturers and dealerships that supply new cars seem happy to offer me 2 different vehicles at a similar price.


Things can be launched in a variety of directions. Cars (both the Tesla Model 3 Performance and BMW M3 in this case) in a forward motion.

Rockets generally skyward.

The cars are a relevant comparison. The rockets less so.

Not sure why this concept is such a struggle for you, or why you seem so sensitive about the areas where the Tesla comes up short.

[Tindersticks]

Then buy an M3. No-one cares.

[survivalist]

Tindersticks said:

Then buy an M3. No-one cares.

You seem to, bizarrely.

[greenarrow]

This is a strange thread at times. I don't think I've come across a bunch of car owners so sensitive to any criticism of their vehicles even when in fact the post in question wasn't even really critical, just passing on information about something seen on a video and expressing surprise! For anyone who bothered to watch the you tube video without throwing their toys out of the pram (and Misha gets a couple of million views per video so clearly a lot of people are interested, attention seeking or not - I know I am, as the driving displayed is pretty exceptional) you will see that the M3 handled very well and was (brakes aside) far from a fish out of water.. He noted that the upgrades to the car have improved its handling and control markedly. I LIKE the Tesla Model 3. Have said it numerous times on here....

hope that redresses the balance Tesla guys

Edited by greenarrow on Friday 12th July 06:27