EVs... no one wants them!

EVs... no one wants them!

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740EVTORQUES

805 posts

4 months

Wednesday
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DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
What, ICE drivers have to plan their journeys ri avoid running out of juice?

Colour me surprised!

Jimjimhim

414 posts

3 months

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DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Yeah sounds like poor planning to me, why run the tank so dry, unless you're just after an argument against petrol cars of course.

FiF

44,540 posts

254 months

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DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Tbh I'm just ignoring it. It's a childish attempt at an anti ICE edge case argument in a blatant copy of the anti EV equivalents that are regularly aired.


RichardD

3,591 posts

248 months

Wednesday
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DonkeyApple said:
I wonder how much of the excessive force was down to the tech initially being designed for the Chinese market? The standard of driving there is truly something to behold due to their being no collective depth of experience within the society
If the situation replaced MG4 and 'tech' with a good olde driving instructors 1 litre Micra with dual controls...

& the driving instructor who had decided the same thing could happen - a good verbal 'WTF' warning would suffice rather than slamming on his brake pedal due to bad pre-judgement.


RichardD

3,591 posts

248 months

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To attempt to bring harmony to this Topic, here is a vehicle for Mr Badger smile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu-BDixGYY&t=...


Olivergt

1,410 posts

84 months

Wednesday
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PinkHouse said:
It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination
I'm going to suggest that the number of people running out of Petrol/Diesel is higher than the figures reported.

I would think a lot of people who run out of fuel, don't have to call out a breakdown service, they either walk to the nearest Petrol station, or they call a friend and get them to pick up some fuel and bring it to them. This is going to be much quicker than calling the AA, for example.

The Phone a Friend option is simply not available to EV owners, so ALL cases of running out of charge get reported.

740EVTORQUES

805 posts

4 months

Wednesday
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Olivergt said:
PinkHouse said:
It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination
I'm going to suggest that the number of people running out of Petrol/Diesel is higher than the figures reported.

I would think a lot of people who run out of fuel, don't have to call out a breakdown service, they either walk to the nearest Petrol station, or they call a friend and get them to pick up some fuel and bring it to them. This is going to be much quicker than calling the AA, for example.

The Phone a Friend option is simply not available to EV owners, so ALL cases of running out of charge get reported.
Actually that's not true. You can easily top up an EV from another EV using V2L. I've even trickle charged my Porsche to keep it's battery conditioner going from my EV on occasion rather than run an extension lead from the garage wink

DonkeyApple

56,598 posts

172 months

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740EVTORQUES said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
What, ICE drivers have to plan their journeys ri avoid running out of juice?

Colour me surprised!
Is it planning to just use a petrol station before the red light appears and you arrive at a village? It's not really is it. It's just common sense.

Dave200

4,869 posts

223 months

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MightyBadger said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
Wow, never heard of that happening before.

Why did you have to 'limp' the car to the next station?



Edited by MightyBadger on Wednesday 3rd July 08:21
Because I got back in the car to see the range still showing 33 miles (within the margin of error for a normal on/off) and the next nearest petrol station was 24 miles away and required a detour onto a major road. I rolled onto the forecourt with 7 miles of range showing, sweating a bit because it's a massive V8 that likes a drink.

MightyBadger

2,475 posts

53 months

Wednesday
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Went to fill up earlier, loads of pumps availalbe but there was only one pump working and the nozzle didn't fit my car - had to ring up the AA who had to come with a jerry can of petrol, he filled me up just enough to limp to the next nearest petrol stsation (100% fabrication).

Dave200

4,869 posts

223 months

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Jimjimhim said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Yeah sounds like poor planning to me, why run the tank so dry, unless you're just after an argument against petrol cars of course.
No idea why I'd need to make "an argument against petrol cars". I own several, and I love them.

Just a dose of reality for the many of us who don't have a daily commute/routine where we fill up every X days at the petrol station we pass daily.

I don't normally let my car run low (for exactly this reason), but on this occasion it just happened. In the same way as I've rolled onto my driveway with a couple of % range left on my EV, yesterday illustrates that ice cars aren't immune to the same range anxiety.

FiF

44,540 posts

254 months

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Just another example of bad faith arguments that litter the thread.

Detour to a major road. LoL. Next it will have been involving towing a 3 tonne trailer across remote Scottish highlands on a Sunday or similar.

What's that saying? Piss poor planning etc.


Dave200

4,869 posts

223 months

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DonkeyApple said:
740EVTORQUES said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
What, ICE drivers have to plan their journeys ri avoid running out of juice?

Colour me surprised!
Is it planning to just use a petrol station before the red light appears and you arrive at a village? It's not really is it. It's just common sense.
The petrol light comes on at about 50-60 miles, so it had been on a fair while by the time I could hear the banjos playing. In hindsight I'd have detoured 3 minutes earlier in the journey, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

halo34

2,574 posts

202 months

Wednesday
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Olivergt said:
I'm going to suggest that the number of people running out of Petrol/Diesel is higher than the figures reported.

I would think a lot of people who run out of fuel, don't have to call out a breakdown service, they either walk to the nearest Petrol station, or they call a friend and get them to pick up some fuel and bring it to them. This is going to be much quicker than calling the AA, for example.

The Phone a Friend option is simply not available to EV owners, so ALL cases of running out of charge get reported.
Seems factual in amongst allot of mud throwing on this thread and likely the reality.

From the CarWow video many EVs just "stop" and apply the handbrake. Though I am still curious how so many people manage to ignore warnings, followed by a cut in power then ultimately dire warnings.

I wonder of that % how many were doing the - lets see how far we can push it game since EV is a novelty to some.

andy43

9,907 posts

257 months

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I’ve driven through Europe during fuel strikes - I took a 10 litre fuel can in the boot and filled up where I could.
How you’d carry spare electricity I dunno but the chances of the electricity suppliers going on strike is remote smile

Dave200

4,869 posts

223 months

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FiF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Tbh I'm just ignoring it. It's a childish attempt at an anti ICE edge case argument in a blatant copy of the anti EV equivalents that are regularly aired.
"I don't like this, so it must be an anti-ice fabrication".

Why would I, an acknowledged advocate of ice cars, who attends trackdays, does off-road trialling and takes multiple European roadtrips a year in my ice cars, be fabricating an "anti-ice" story?

What's my motivation?

FiF

44,540 posts

254 months

Wednesday
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Dave200 said:
FiF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Tbh I'm just ignoring it. It's a childish attempt at an anti ICE edge case argument in a blatant copy of the anti EV equivalents that are regularly aired.
"I don't like this, so it must be an anti-ice fabrication".

Why would I, an acknowledged advocate of ice cars, who attends trackdays, does off-road trialling and takes multiple European roadtrips a year in my ice cars, be fabricating an "anti-ice" story?

What's my motivation?
Just to be an arse?

Dave200

4,869 posts

223 months

Wednesday
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FiF said:
Dave200 said:
FiF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Tbh I'm just ignoring it. It's a childish attempt at an anti ICE edge case argument in a blatant copy of the anti EV equivalents that are regularly aired.
"I don't like this, so it must be an anti-ice fabrication".

Why would I, an acknowledged advocate of ice cars, who attends trackdays, does off-road trialling and takes multiple European roadtrips a year in my ice cars, be fabricating an "anti-ice" story?

What's my motivation?
Just to be an arse?
Yes, that must be it. It couldn't be that I wanted to bring some real-world experience to a thread that's sorely lacking in it.

greenarrow

3,721 posts

120 months

Wednesday
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MightyBadger said:
Went to fill up earlier, loads of pumps availalbe but there was only one pump working and the nozzle didn't fit my car - had to ring up the AA who had to come with a jerry can of petrol, he filled me up just enough to limp to the next nearest petrol stsation (100% fabrication).
To quote from a favourite film "You're not the messiah and you're a very naughty boy" rofl

FiF

44,540 posts

254 months

Wednesday
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Dave200 said:
FiF said:
Dave200 said:
FiF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Dave200 said:
Back in the world of real experiences, I took one of my ice cars on a long run yesterday because I needed to pick something up that wouldn't fit in the boot of the Tesla.

Knowing I needed to fill up en route, I plugged the most convenient option into the sat nav. I arrived at a rural petrol station with 30 miles of range showing, and chucked the (dirty) petrol pump handle into the filler.

2.74 indicated litres later and the pump just stopped. I wiggled it around, I put it back and picked it up again, all to no avail. On questioning the disinterested cashier, I simply got "Oh, we must have run out. Do you want to try another pump?". Great.

I paid her and limped the car slowly to the next nearest (large) petrol station, where I was able to fill up at an extortionate rate. More worryingly, those 2.74 litres appeared to add no range, so I'm sceptical about whether anything even came out of the pump.

Say what you like about EVs, but it's not all plain sailing with ice cars if you venture off the beaten track. Lesson learned - don't rely on rural petrol stations.
What's to blame in that situation? wink. We're all old enough to know the risks of arriving empty in a one horse town. I made the mistake once of arriving at one after 4pm on a Friday. biggrin
Tbh I'm just ignoring it. It's a childish attempt at an anti ICE edge case argument in a blatant copy of the anti EV equivalents that are regularly aired.
"I don't like this, so it must be an anti-ice fabrication".

Why would I, an acknowledged advocate of ice cars, who attends trackdays, does off-road trialling and takes multiple European roadtrips a year in my ice cars, be fabricating an "anti-ice" story?

What's my motivation?
Just to be an arse?
Yes, that must be it. It couldn't be that I wanted to bring some real-world experience to a thread that's sorely lacking in it.
Unfortunately your story just doesn't wash.

Going on a long trip in a V8 that "likes a drink", not doing what any responsible person does, basically the POWER checks, and then heads out presumably into the wilderness, apparently not passing any convenient filling stations en route, to stop at a wayside somewhere in the sticks filling station that's got no fuel, despite having staff in attendance, didn't then try another pump as suggested by the staff just to divert a few miles to a main road station.

LoL.

And supposedly by a enthusiast and competitor in motorsport. Maybe it really happened like that, but definitely an edgier than edge case. Sad state of affairs. If it is true, hang your head in shame and learn a lesson from it.