Secondhand car price crash? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Barrie c 66 said:
Are electric vans a hard sell at the moment ? A Vivaro, Expert etc would suit my needs perfectly as I only do about 4,000 miles a year and have solar panels and a charger. Generally work in about a 5 mile radius, occasionally go about 25 miles. The difference between asking prices and WBAC is massive. Every one I've put in they have come back about half the asking price.
We lose money on virtually everyone we sell. And they only seem to move when the manufacturer puts additional money behind them as well as usBishBosh said:
I just bought a 2 year old Combo-e with less than 2000 miles on the clock for £16k + vat. That’s about half new price. Did the same as you with WBAC prices coming in around £5k less than I paid however you just can’t buy them for that price….
It’s brilliant, does exactly what I need no tax and as it’s only 50kw very cheap to charge from home. I wanted the lwb with twin side load doors and a load through, most of what’s advertised is wrong so be careful what you look for.
Bottom line is you just have to negotiate as best you can and pay up. Or wait another 6 months to be in the same position.
What real world range do you get out of this? I’m tempted by the Combo-e seem good value and better range than the Vivaro-eIt’s brilliant, does exactly what I need no tax and as it’s only 50kw very cheap to charge from home. I wanted the lwb with twin side load doors and a load through, most of what’s advertised is wrong so be careful what you look for.
Bottom line is you just have to negotiate as best you can and pay up. Or wait another 6 months to be in the same position.
Sheepshanks said:
There just don't seem to be any decent (ie without quirks) ones.
For general purpose use Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona seem the obvious choices but they'be both been replaced recently and old ones look very old already. The new versions are still too expensive as nearly-new - they're going to take a massive 3yr hit.
I thought Vx Mokka might be OK but there are too many horror stories about issues with them and appalling real-world range.
Those Korean cars is kind of where I was at, decent range and longer warranty. It's funny you should mention the Kona looking dated, when I first saw the new model could clearly see it was a step up, but when you take a look at the older Kona alongside some 5 year old cars it still looks fairly modern (at least to me) it's likely because it's not a pure EV model, I think some of those will date quickly due to their different designs and will be in direct competition with newer EVs also build from the ground up. I think the larger battery Kona EV at 3 year old is cracking value with a couple of years warranty left.For general purpose use Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona seem the obvious choices but they'be both been replaced recently and old ones look very old already. The new versions are still too expensive as nearly-new - they're going to take a massive 3yr hit.
I thought Vx Mokka might be OK but there are too many horror stories about issues with them and appalling real-world range.
Theoldguard said:
Sheepshanks said:
There just don't seem to be any decent (ie without quirks) ones.
For general purpose use Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona seem the obvious choices but they'be both been replaced recently and old ones look very old already. The new versions are still too expensive as nearly-new - they're going to take a massive 3yr hit.
I thought Vx Mokka might be OK but there are too many horror stories about issues with them and appalling real-world range.
Those Korean cars is kind of where I was at, decent range and longer warranty. It's funny you should mention the Kona looking dated, when I first saw the new model could clearly see it was a step up, but when you take a look at the older Kona alongside some 5 year old cars it still looks fairly modern (at least to me) it's likely because it's not a pure EV model, I think some of those will date quickly due to their different designs and will be in direct competition with newer EVs also build from the ground up. I think the larger battery Kona EV at 3 year old is cracking value with a couple of years warranty left.For general purpose use Kia Niro and Hyundai Kona seem the obvious choices but they'be both been replaced recently and old ones look very old already. The new versions are still too expensive as nearly-new - they're going to take a massive 3yr hit.
I thought Vx Mokka might be OK but there are too many horror stories about issues with them and appalling real-world range.
They're tight for space in the back though. Be sure to check one for size.
Value-wise they lose loads in the first 2-3 years, but like most EVs with decent range and battery tech they slow right down below £20k.
Plenty of Kona Ultimate spec for £15k-£18k now.
LowTread said:
The older kona EV is a hoot to drive. Accelerates like a hot hatch. Spins up the front wheels on a damp road at 30mph. .
I'm quite concerned about that aspect - I'd originally dismissed RWD EVs, as the user of this car lives on a steep hill that often catches the frost, but it seems like FWD EVs could be just as tricky.Richtea1970 said:
What real world range do you get out of this? I’m tempted by the Combo-e seem good value and better range than the Vivaro-e
On a full charge the range displays at 160 miles currently. If pushed I can get 140. In the winter I’m expecting around 110. I don’t mind stopping for 10-15 minutes if needed to get an extra 20-30 miles at a Tesla Supercharger as the charge point location on the van is in the right place for them and there’s a couple available around me too. In the 3 months I’ve had it only had to do 3 times so far. I don’t get range anxiety but do suffer from charge anxiety. Hence happy to go Tesla SC. 😉
Richtea1970 said:
BishBosh said:
I just bought a 2 year old Combo-e with less than 2000 miles on the clock for £16k + vat. That’s about half new price. Did the same as you with WBAC prices coming in around £5k less than I paid however you just can’t buy them for that price….
It’s brilliant, does exactly what I need no tax and as it’s only 50kw very cheap to charge from home. I wanted the lwb with twin side load doors and a load through, most of what’s advertised is wrong so be careful what you look for.
Bottom line is you just have to negotiate as best you can and pay up. Or wait another 6 months to be in the same position.
What real world range do you get out of this? I’m tempted by the Combo-e seem good value and better range than the Vivaro-eIt’s brilliant, does exactly what I need no tax and as it’s only 50kw very cheap to charge from home. I wanted the lwb with twin side load doors and a load through, most of what’s advertised is wrong so be careful what you look for.
Bottom line is you just have to negotiate as best you can and pay up. Or wait another 6 months to be in the same position.
Fast Bug said:
We lose money on virtually everyone we sell. And they only seem to move when the manufacturer puts additional money behind them as well as us
I'm useless at negotiating on motors, I feel very awkward about it but I feel I'd be daft not to offer somewhere between the asking price and what WBAC would pay. I'll probably end up not bothering as I don't want to waste people's time.Barrie c 66 said:
I'm useless at negotiating on motors, I feel very awkward about it but I feel I'd be daft not to offer somewhere between the asking price and what WBAC would pay. I'll probably end up not bothering as I don't want to waste people's time.
Hey Barrie, that’s more or less what you should do. Mine was advertised at £18k, I offered £15k and we did the deal on £16k. No embarrassment at all by either side, they knew I was genuine to buy so accepted the offer as such. Some dealers just won’t talk and that’s their choice, mostly main dealers so I made my offers and got turned down. All done over the phone. Remember, you can always come up in price but very difficult to drop down unless something is not as described. Current van was over 100 miles away which I went and fetched after getting the dealer to send me a video.
Edited to say I totally get what you mean about diesel vans especially if not driving them too far. I too had many issues with DPF/ turbos, cats….just a pain to sort out. Loving the ev so far.
Edited by BishBosh on Friday 31st May 20:37
BishBosh said:
Hey Barrie, that’s more or less what you should do. Mine was advertised at £18k, I offered £15k and we did the deal on £16k. No embarrassment at all by either side, they knew I was genuine to buy so accepted the offer as such. Some dealers just won’t talk and that’s their choice, mostly main dealers so I made my offers and got turned down. All done over the phone.
Remember, you can always come up in price but very difficult to drop down unless something is not as described. Current van was over 100 miles away which I went and fetched after getting the dealer to send me a video.
Edited to say I totally get what you mean about diesel vans especially if not driving them too far. I too had many issues with DPF/ turbos, cats….just a pain to sort out. Loving the ev so far.
Thanks BishBosh. I've seen one that's been for sale since July which would be ideal for me what with the low miles I do. I think i'll arrange to go and have a look at it.Remember, you can always come up in price but very difficult to drop down unless something is not as described. Current van was over 100 miles away which I went and fetched after getting the dealer to send me a video.
Edited to say I totally get what you mean about diesel vans especially if not driving them too far. I too had many issues with DPF/ turbos, cats….just a pain to sort out. Loving the ev so far.
Edited by BishBosh on Friday 31st May 20:37
The corsa Van like the rest of the Stellantis and Toyota small van range has had a recent facelift and this is most beneficial if buying an electric as your able to add as a £350 option a heat pump which will significantly extend the winter range.
It’s also had the battery redesigned and can now do a reported 192 miles (expected to be 150 summer/120 winter) which is an improvement.
A lot of current combo / partner / Berlingo / doblo / procity ace electric owners complain of a range under 100 miles in the winter, an extra 20 miles plus a heat pump in the facelift models will make it a lot easier to live with.
Some of the facelift top spec models come with the faster 11kw charger as standard.
It’s also had the battery redesigned and can now do a reported 192 miles (expected to be 150 summer/120 winter) which is an improvement.
A lot of current combo / partner / Berlingo / doblo / procity ace electric owners complain of a range under 100 miles in the winter, an extra 20 miles plus a heat pump in the facelift models will make it a lot easier to live with.
Some of the facelift top spec models come with the faster 11kw charger as standard.
Sheepshanks said:
I'm quite concerned about that aspect - I'd originally dismissed RWD EVs, as the user of this car lives on a steep hill that often catches the frost, but it seems like FWD EVs could be just as tricky.
Absolutely nothing to be concerned about, having just bought a 3 year old Niro I can confirm it’s a superb car. Approx £15k with 4 years left on the Kia warranty. Goes great and I really enjoy driving it. Nothing exciting to look at but it’s perfectly fine, doesn’t look too dated to me. Never had an issue with wheel spin, it will spin them but only if you poke it!
nick1871 said:
Absolutely nothing to be concerned about, having just bought a 3 year old Niro I can confirm it’s a superb car. Approx £15k with 4 years left on the Kia warranty. Goes great and I really enjoy driving it. Nothing exciting to look at but it’s perfectly fine, doesn’t look too dated to me.
Never had an issue with wheel spin, it will spin them but only if you poke it!
Brave guy. The internet is absolutely awash with stories and videos of them on fire and recalls for them. Not sure I'd file that under "absolutely nothing to be concerned about" personally. Rather you than me! Never had an issue with wheel spin, it will spin them but only if you poke it!
nick1871 said:
Sheepshanks said:
I'm quite concerned about that aspect - I'd originally dismissed RWD EVs, as the user of this car lives on a steep hill that often catches the frost, but it seems like FWD EVs could be just as tricky.
Absolutely nothing to be concerned about, having just bought a 3 year old Niro I can confirm it’s a superb car. Approx £15k with 4 years left on the Kia warranty. Goes great and I really enjoy driving it. Nothing exciting to look at but it’s perfectly fine, doesn’t look too dated to me. Never had an issue with wheel spin, it will spin them but only if you poke it!
I was surprised the Kona only seems to have 5 yrs warranty from new - although the Approved Used one I’m looking at has 5yrs Approved Used warranty, which takes it to 7 yrs anyway.
Edited by Sheepshanks on Saturday 1st June 09:19
e-honda said:
r3g said:
Brave guy. The internet is absolutely awash with stories and videos of them on fire and recalls for them. Not sure I'd file that under "absolutely nothing to be concerned about" personally. Rather you than me!
Really, can you post 3 of the videos?They found melted plugs and a recall to replace the plugs over the potential risk of fire. So far no reports of any vehicle fires on injuries.
So if you've seen any videos of them on fire probably want to share that with kia.
r3g said:
Brave guy. The internet is absolutely awash with stories and videos of them on fire and recalls for them. Not sure I'd file that under "absolutely nothing to be concerned about" personally. Rather you than me!
Sometimes I can’t work out if these are serious posts or someone is posting for laughs…e-honda said:
r3g said:
Brave guy. The internet is absolutely awash with stories and videos of them on fire and recalls for them. Not sure I'd file that under "absolutely nothing to be concerned about" personally. Rather you than me!
Really, can you post 3 of the videos?https://www.autosafety.org/it-was-horrible-spontan... burning nicely!
https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2022/kia-niro-h...
https://carbuzz.com/news/the-kia-niro-is-in-the-ho...
https://www.motorsafety.org/kia-issues-second-reca... yet another recall for fire
Edited by r3g on Saturday 1st June 10:08
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