Don't make me agree with my wife: Range Rover or Touareg
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you eep going on about reliability- BUY A LANDCRUISER
there is a reason why the TDv8 landcruiser has such high residuals- they don't go wrong (well to be fair they aren't as reliable as an 80 series- they aren't as simple for a start, but they will kick a RaRo into touch).
Go and drive one before you discount them.
why aren't you looking at Q7s if Toerags are in the mix?
there is a reason why the TDv8 landcruiser has such high residuals- they don't go wrong (well to be fair they aren't as reliable as an 80 series- they aren't as simple for a start, but they will kick a RaRo into touch).
Go and drive one before you discount them.
why aren't you looking at Q7s if Toerags are in the mix?
PugwasHDJ80 said:
you eep going on about reliability- BUY A LANDCRUISER
there is a reason why the TDv8 landcruiser has such high residuals- they don't go wrong (well to be fair they aren't as reliable as an 80 series- they aren't as simple for a start, but they will kick a RaRo into touch).
Go and drive one before you discount them.
why aren't you looking at Q7s if Toerags are in the mix?
Fair comments.there is a reason why the TDv8 landcruiser has such high residuals- they don't go wrong (well to be fair they aren't as reliable as an 80 series- they aren't as simple for a start, but they will kick a RaRo into touch).
Go and drive one before you discount them.
why aren't you looking at Q7s if Toerags are in the mix?
Perhaps I should look at the Land-cruiser, but I really don't like the look of the newer ones and Jesus they are expensive. Even huge mileage example command gob smacking prices. Sure they may go on for galactic distances before issues occur but the used price combined with the bling looks just pushes them down my list - or are you talking about the Amazon ones? I love them but the price issue is even worse here. Last time I looked it was >17k for a 100k miles example that was 10 years old.
Q7 - footballers car. I'm a big Audi fan but these are just a bit too OTT for me. I know they are not too far off the Toerag but the VW is just more understated and that's what I would prefer. The RR is of course very fancy, but in a stylish way IMO.
telecat said:
Any reason the Shogun isn't on the list?
Purely and simply because they get appalling reviews. Anything that gets one star just fall off my list, even if it unfair, because not other sod is going to by it from me when the time comes. Of course the one star may be unjustified but it ain't going to be a 4 or 5 star car is it?I actually like the shape, sort of like a Japanese (and superior) interpretation of the Disco 2. But the one thing that I don't like about the D2 is the ride, and the Shogun gets panned for this in every review I read. Plus I drove one once and it was completely anodyne - and the brakes failed on the test drive. Great pity because I would forgo quite a lot for a car that looked like the shogun but was great to drive.
It's complicated.
I have had two Touaregs from new. The latest one is a year old, does 33mpg and hasn't failed on any respect. Superbly comfy and tows brilliantly.
I had the mk1 Treg for seven years from new - I did 100,000 miles and it had two significant problems - the inlet manifold failed and the propshaft bearing went. Both fixed for less than £500/each.
I have a friend who runs a FFRR and it's lovely to drive, but has stranded him four times over the last year..
I had the mk1 Treg for seven years from new - I did 100,000 miles and it had two significant problems - the inlet manifold failed and the propshaft bearing went. Both fixed for less than £500/each.
I have a friend who runs a FFRR and it's lovely to drive, but has stranded him four times over the last year..
Shogun is ancient and will feel very agricultural compared to a Touareg or RR. Land Cruisers do suffer from very expensive air suspension problems and on road they feel like a north sea trawler. There's plenty of Land Rover Approved Used RR TDV8s within your budget - yes the transfer boxes tend to fail around 80k miles and the Turbos have been know to fail- however I wouldn't say they were any worse than a Touareg. We sell over around 400 used 4x4s a year and Range Rovers seem to be less troublesome than Disco3s and RR Sports, X5s give the most grief from our experience.
OP, you've narrowed this down to either a RR or Touareg.
The Touareg looks big, strong and high but you get in (no stepping up required, just slide across) and think "Oh", they seem to shrink around you and the theme continues when you set off, they feel like a hatchback, wieldy, light, easy and not at all big or intimidating.
If they lack anything it's the RR's imperiousness and sense of aloof occasion. As you step ladder your way into a RR you feel indomitable, lording over the masses in their silly Touareg's and tiny X5's. Lovely, smug, safe place to be and, despite the body roll, very enjoyable to drive.
If you buy either then try and stretch to their V8 versions, you're obviously tempted and the feeling of all that torque as you squuueeeezzzzze the throttle will be a daily delight.
Go and try them, they're very different cars.
The Touareg looks big, strong and high but you get in (no stepping up required, just slide across) and think "Oh", they seem to shrink around you and the theme continues when you set off, they feel like a hatchback, wieldy, light, easy and not at all big or intimidating.
If they lack anything it's the RR's imperiousness and sense of aloof occasion. As you step ladder your way into a RR you feel indomitable, lording over the masses in their silly Touareg's and tiny X5's. Lovely, smug, safe place to be and, despite the body roll, very enjoyable to drive.
If you buy either then try and stretch to their V8 versions, you're obviously tempted and the feeling of all that torque as you squuueeeezzzzze the throttle will be a daily delight.
Go and try them, they're very different cars.
If you are considering the VW then take a look at the Cayenne. Best residuals in the business (of any car in the UK in fact), perfectly capable off-road and the best on road handling by far.
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
edo said:
If you are considering the VW then take a look at the Cayenne. Best residuals in the business (of any car in the UK in fact), perfectly capable off-road and the best on road handling by far.
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Sounds bloody great but too rich for me. The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Plus we already have a sports car so focussing more on waft than wheel-spin for this one!
Has to be a 2010 on FFRR, it is as good as it gets.
I would rather get a higher mileage MY10 RR than any other car out there other than a new 2012 model RR.
I have just been through all this as my old ML is getting on now, tried them all.
In the end it came down to either saying 'bugger it' and getting a 2011 Range Rover and blowing my budget and living with 25mpg for another 3 years or so, or being a bit more sensible and going for a Disco Sport, more money but better residuals and so not really any more money and better MPG, although most are saying expect 33mpg.
The other surprise was the MY13 Freelander, very nice, but I couldn't drop £28k on an old model.
The other one that really impressed me was the new X3 in SE guise, extremely comfy, handled well, and showed an amazing 46mpg doing my usual 90 mile round trip, compared with 32mpg from the Freelander and 27mpg from the Range Rover.
As someone doing 25k miles a year that makes a huge difference, it will save me around £180 a month or 40%, which is a big chunk of ownership costs.
Also, the tech side of things was so far ahead of the rest it was unreal.
I know with decent tyres on it it would perform well for me, as I had a 335i touring on decent mus and snow tyres and that coped better than my A6 Quattro on summer tyres.
However......money no object it would be a FFRR from 2010 onwards for me. It is a stunning car.
I would rather get a higher mileage MY10 RR than any other car out there other than a new 2012 model RR.
I have just been through all this as my old ML is getting on now, tried them all.
In the end it came down to either saying 'bugger it' and getting a 2011 Range Rover and blowing my budget and living with 25mpg for another 3 years or so, or being a bit more sensible and going for a Disco Sport, more money but better residuals and so not really any more money and better MPG, although most are saying expect 33mpg.
The other surprise was the MY13 Freelander, very nice, but I couldn't drop £28k on an old model.
The other one that really impressed me was the new X3 in SE guise, extremely comfy, handled well, and showed an amazing 46mpg doing my usual 90 mile round trip, compared with 32mpg from the Freelander and 27mpg from the Range Rover.
As someone doing 25k miles a year that makes a huge difference, it will save me around £180 a month or 40%, which is a big chunk of ownership costs.
Also, the tech side of things was so far ahead of the rest it was unreal.
I know with decent tyres on it it would perform well for me, as I had a 335i touring on decent mus and snow tyres and that coped better than my A6 Quattro on summer tyres.
However......money no object it would be a FFRR from 2010 onwards for me. It is a stunning car.
TorqueDirty said:
edo said:
If you are considering the VW then take a look at the Cayenne. Best residuals in the business (of any car in the UK in fact), perfectly capable off-road and the best on road handling by far.
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Sounds bloody great but too rich for me. The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Plus we already have a sports car so focussing more on waft than wheel-spin for this one!
I looked at both these models, and asked on here people's view good and bad on here.
I am now looking at Warrior L200, still 4x4 more room and as I need it to fill in sometimes for my new business venture.
As its a good vehicle, to tow with which is what I need it for as backup.
If I have got another car, that needs transporting somewhere I can use my trailer with it.
I am now looking at Warrior L200, still 4x4 more room and as I need it to fill in sometimes for my new business venture.
As its a good vehicle, to tow with which is what I need it for as backup.
If I have got another car, that needs transporting somewhere I can use my trailer with it.
Edited by SEE YA on Sunday 14th December 18:55
edo said:
If you are considering the VW then take a look at the Cayenne. Best residuals in the business (of any car in the UK in fact), perfectly capable off-road and the best on road handling by far.
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Interesting. We got a demo in a Cayenne a few years ago over an assault course, and are looking at getting one. Thanks.
The V8 S Diesel is a monster and even sounds brill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMzW4J5ByQA
Interesting. We got a demo in a Cayenne a few years ago over an assault course, and are looking at getting one. Thanks.
TorqueDirty said:
Impasse said:
Stop cocking about and buy the Range Rover.
I like cocking about thank you very much! But I probably will by a Range Rover too so I it's the best of both worlds really isn't it?
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