EVs... no one wants them!
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confused_buyer said:
The OP seems to be wanting to swap the battery for a larger one not because of degradation but mainly because the range wasn't ever enough for their needs in the first place.
I'm not sure there will ever be huge demand for this sort of service. I mean, once upon a time if you bought a 520d and decided what you really wanted/needed was a 545i you don't go looking for an engine swap. You sell the 520d and buy a 545i. I'm not sure this is much different with EVs.
You make a fair point.I'm not sure there will ever be huge demand for this sort of service. I mean, once upon a time if you bought a 520d and decided what you really wanted/needed was a 545i you don't go looking for an engine swap. You sell the 520d and buy a 545i. I'm not sure this is much different with EVs.
Maybe I was naive in thinking with a battery and battery set up it may have been more efficient and cheaper to upgrade the battery power and ability as the technology improves.
MightyBadger said:
At least nobody in this thread is driving or riding one of these.
https://youtu.be/YMKpCiDomgM?si=kptBagczeJOWWrkE
You post these pointless links which have nothing to do with the actual thread. Is there a reason?https://youtu.be/YMKpCiDomgM?si=kptBagczeJOWWrkE
stevemcs said:
tamore said:
so how do a 'technology first, car second' outfit like tesla get it so right?
to compare, my EV is stellantis. absolutely awful from a technology perspective.
Probably because they are software designers first and not car designers. It’s why the technology works but they look awful and have no switches and buttons to operate anything. Tesla would be better off selling the infrastructure and batteries to manufacturers and leaving the car building to others.to compare, my EV is stellantis. absolutely awful from a technology perspective.
for the record, i don't have haven't owned a tesla. i have a vauxhall combo-e which has woeful integrated technology and interface.
monkfish1 said:
tamore said:
monkfish1 said:
Correct. Just piss poor development.
As ive said before, we have now brought IT people into car design. With the inevitable outcome.
so how do a 'technology first, car second' outfit like tesla get it so right?As ive said before, we have now brought IT people into car design. With the inevitable outcome.
to compare, my EV is stellantis. absolutely awful from a technology perspective.
but, clearly, there are good software people. Just that they seem to be very rare.
Everyone these days, just pushes out half finished products, be it cars, phones or any product.
I struggle to see why its so difficult. Just test it before you sell it. I presume they write the software, press enter and go home.
monkfish1 said:
soxboy said:
FiF said:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/volvo-...
Removed from configurator, new version due in a few days. Some owners have been refunded and their cars returned. Basic problem massive software issues.
But nothing to do with it being an EV. Our ICE XC60 has had loads of issues with software/ central screen crashing so no audio, nav, HVAC, trip info. Dealer keeps saying there’s a software update ‘soon’.Removed from configurator, new version due in a few days. Some owners have been refunded and their cars returned. Basic problem massive software issues.
As ive said before, we have now brought IT people into car design. With the inevitable outcome.
GM vs. Microsoft
At a computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated: "If GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."
In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued a press release stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
For no reason at all, your car would crash twice a day.
Every time they repainted the lines on the road, you would have to buy a new car.
Occasionally, executing a manoeuver such as a left-turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, and you would have to reinstall the engine.
When your car died on the freeway for no reason, you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought 'Car95' or 'CarNT', and then added more seats.
Apple would make a car powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would run on only five per cent of the roads.
Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light.
New seats would force every-one to have the same size butt.
The airbag would say 'Are you sure?' before going off.
Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna.
GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of road maps from Rand-McNally (a subsidiary of GM), even though they neither need them nor want them. Trying to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 per cent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
Every time GM introduced a new model, car buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
You would press the 'start' button to shut off the engine.
Re the EX30, it's an inexpensive Chinese car so one kind of expects issues but as always what matters is that the resolution is professional and prompt.
The reality is that an EV is probably more simple in terms of the amount of tech crap gubbins shoved inside the box as a single motor is replacing an engine and gearbox which is smothered in censors and ECUs etc.
All drive trains are passing through this quite enormous shift from mechanical to digital/electronic and some bits seem logical and others seem a bit s
t. And it probably follows most research on human behaviour (the agency v non agency research on decision making) in that those humans who are used to being in control and making decisions over others tend not to like ceding control to devices and will question the act beforehand whereas people used to just being instructed where to be and what to do will adopt changes more easily.
But it doesn't help that we are definitely getting a more and more IT mindset in automotive products, whether it's massive passive aggression through to the whole Dunning Kruger issues and into the whole software Stockholm syndrome sales technique.
For the last few years I have found myself basing my opinion on the quality of a car by how invasive, patronising and plain dumb its tech is v how seamless, smooth and intelligent. Some calls are subjective obviously but some manufacturers are really struggling or maybe they just overtly acknowledge their typical consumer is on the dim side?
Tindersticks said:
MightyBadger said:
At least nobody in this thread is driving or riding one of these.
https://youtu.be/YMKpCiDomgM?si=kptBagczeJOWWrkE
You post these pointless links which have nothing to do with the actual thread. Is there a reason?https://youtu.be/YMKpCiDomgM?si=kptBagczeJOWWrkE
Just look back a over the last few weeks worth of posts and you'll see. He is just a bore, a troll. With silly little childish emojis. Contributes nothing to the thread....
Edited by romft123 on Sunday 7th July 10:04
Tindersticks said:
They’re really not
I posted a fault with a few of the MGs knowing some in this thread might have one and not know about the issues.I posted one about the problems with the CX 30 some of you have/have ordered, some didn't know about the issues.
You seem to be of the ilk that nothing ever goes wrong or is bad about EVs and very defensive of that, that's not my problem.
MightyBadger said:
There has been useful information in each link, all are EV related. Sorry they are not useful to you.
I think the greatest risk of cheap, corner cut goods which China is good at, as far as the U.K. is concerned is the junk alibaba devices stacked up in affordable apartments. They also treat their export cars differently to what they knock out for domestic users. Which I think you can see with all the Chinese EVs in the U.K. market. nickfrog said:
I am all for freedom of speech but I wish you didn't turn up trying so hard to look like a wazzock by posting a vid about dodgy 2 wheel vehicles catching fire
I posted videos about mg4 and cx30, did you miss those posts?I think the video you mention highlighted some BYD battery problems in China, BYD are a big company exporting lots of EVs to all countries so thought might be on topic. I think many other Chinese car manufacturers also use BYDs battery tech, I think it has got a lot better in the last year.
MightyBadger said:
I posted videos about mg4 and cx30, did you miss those posts?
I think the video you mention highlighted some BYD battery problems in China, BYD are a big company exporting lots of EVs to all countries so thought might be on topic. I think many other Chinese car manufacturers also use BYDs battery tech, I think it has got a lot better in the last year.
BYD would deny this to the grave but I doubt they're magically different from other Chinese multinationals that bang out the rejected and low quality stuff to the local market who for the most part have next to no depth of consumer experience so can be flogged absolute junk but ensure the stuff for export doesn't contain the rejected or substandard parts. I think the video you mention highlighted some BYD battery problems in China, BYD are a big company exporting lots of EVs to all countries so thought might be on topic. I think many other Chinese car manufacturers also use BYDs battery tech, I think it has got a lot better in the last year.
The Chinese EV project has been 30 years in the making and the end goal from the outset was to be a primary exporter of high value goods so the government is very protective of that specific ambition whereas they don't really care if locals get toasted by rejected cells dumped into cheap battery packs.
MightyBadger said:
DonkeyApple said:
whereas they don't really care if locals get toasted by rejected cells dumped into cheap battery packs.
Build Your Dreams while others suffer, ruthless business model.
Tindersticks said:
They’re really not. They’re entirely unrelated to the topic at hand
That's your opinion. I would argue that an abundance of evidence showing EVs spontaneously combusting, and in many cases the resulting infernos destroying everything wthin a considerable radius - including property where people are sleeping - is quite high up on the list of reasons why "no one wants them" and is very much "related to the topic at hand". If the EV fanbois don't wish to be subjected to this inconvenient truth, then they have their safe space EV sub-forum to go to where discussion of such truths is verboten.Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff