EVs... no one wants them!

[Olivergt]

GT9 said:

otolith said:

10,000 psi? You must be a hell of a trumpet player!

Trombone actually, but I'm a little rusty.

That'll be the oxygen, not the hydrogen though.

[Jimjimhim]

Dave200 said:

Olivergt said:

Dave200 said:

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It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.

Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.

Those 2 lines contradict each other?

"It's definitly an edge case..."
"a dose of real-world experience..."

It can be one or the other, it can't be both, and as you go on to say it's the first time it's happened in all your years of driving, so it seems to fit the "edge" case much better than a real-world experience.

It's going to blow your mind when you realise that edge cases exist in the real world. A petrol station running out of petrol was real, rare and completely out of my control.

You then drove to the next one and filled up with no issues, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove?

[MightyBadger]

Jimjimhim said:

You then drove to the next one and filled up with no issues, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove?

He proved that it's not just the car but also the driver that can create anxiety.

[Olivergt]

Dave200 said:

Olivergt said:

Dave200 said:

...
It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.

Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.

Those 2 lines contradict each other?

"It's definitly an edge case..."
"a dose of real-world experience..."

It can be one or the other, it can't be both, and as you go on to say it's the first time it's happened in all your years of driving, so it seems to fit the "edge" case much better than a real-world experience.

It's going to blow your mind when you realise that edge cases exist in the real world. A petrol station running out of petrol was real, rare and completely out of my control.

I totally agree, "edge cases" exist in the real world, but they are just that, edge cases, they are not real world "experiences", "experiences" are things that happen to normal people in the normal routine of life. Of course you "experienced" that edge case, but you can't build a world based on edge cases, but you can build a world around real world "experiences" where everything works without drama for 99% of the people 99% of the time, which is the case for filling up with Petrol at a Petrol station, in fact I would wager it is far higher 99%, probably more like 99.99% of the time.

We could have a straw poll on here, I'll start:
Dave200: ?? Years of driving ?? Miles and 1 instance,
Olivergt: 40+ years of driving, so around 500,000 miles if not further and 0 (zero) instances of a Petrol Station running out of Petrol, when I was filling up.

[MightyBadger]

More promising stuff
https://youtu.be/2HlyQy9WRlc?si=U1oF01f42R9klbNV

[JNW1]

MightyBadger said:

More promising stuff
https://youtu.be/2HlyQy9WRlc?si=U1oF01f42R9klbNV

The follow-up video on range doesn't quite hit the spot though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCzwX3j_3Lc

It drops significantly during the journey and the car runs out of charge altogether just as he arrives at the Tesla supercharger station; he only manages to get it connected because fellow Tesla drivers knew how to get the car into neutral (Rory didn't) and then helped him push it to a charger. Quite why he didn't stop sooner when he saw the range reducing I don't know but his assumption about there being a small buffer when the range shows zero proved rather wide of the mark.

Amusingly, in his summing-up towards the end then he declares there's been "no big dramas" - well perhaps Rory but only because there happened to be other people around who were able to help you out. At least he said it with a smile on his face though!

[braddo]

Olivergt said:

"experiences" are things that happen to normal people in the normal routine of life.

No they're not, you have just made up that definition. People refer to all sorts of experiences all the time (special, unpleasant, amazing, once-in-a-lifetime)

Olivergt said:

Olivergt: 40+ years of driving, so around 500,000 miles if not further and 0 (zero) instances of a Petrol Station running out of Petrol, when I was filling up.

Have you never driven past a petrol station while it's closed for refilling? It's hardly bonkers that people will occasionally encounter a petrol station that is out of action. It doesn't really matter what the exact circumstances are.

[Jimjimhim]

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

[M4cruiser]

RichardD said:

Mikebentley said:

I’ll give Mighty Badger this one. I posted on here my experience of ownership of an MG4 Trophy ....

Experienced MG4 annoyingness too once borrowing a colleagues car. On a busy road I indicated right as to pass a stopped car I had to cross the line by a few inches. Assume car thought I was turning right into incoming traffic so it slammed on
Otherwise (!) I do like the cars but thinking properly don't think I'd ever want the o/h to suffer this nonsense so wouldn't have one.

(At the time I can remember being properly impressed with the dual motor MG4 too, grr)

But ... why is that on this thread?!
Those silly antics are "because MG" not "because EV".

My Windows Phone's Internet Explorer stopped working yesterday, can't recover it, can't download it any more. Stuffed. Must be because I drove an EV yesterday.

[Dave200]

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

[Jimjimhim]

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

[Dave200]

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

[Jimjimhim]

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

Running your tank so low before trying to get fuel was yes.

[Unreal]

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

I'd stop now if I were you. You are making yourself look like a fibber or a bit stupid. Neither is a good look.

[Dave200]

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

Running your tank so low before trying to get fuel was yes.

Leaving home with almost 100 miles of range showing and planning to stop with a comfortable margin of error (which I ended up needing due to issues completely out of my control) doesn't sound like I was to "blame" for anything. Dear me.

[charltjr]

Dave200 said:

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

Indeed, plus some people obviously don’t have much experience with properly thirsty cars.

Getting a bit caught out can absolutely be a thing on a cross country jaunt in a 15mpg car.

Unlikely and rare, sure, but entirely possible.

[Tindersticks]

Plenty of people run their tanks to fumes before filling up. Not quite sure why he’s getting grief for this.

[Dave200]

charltjr said:

Dave200 said:

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

Indeed, plus some people obviously don’t have much experience with properly thirsty cars.

Getting a bit caught out can absolutely be a thing on a cross country jaunt in a 15mpg car.

Unlikely and rare, sure, but entirely possible.

Indeed. The criticism probably comes from the sort of people who hypermile and plan their fill-ups days in advance to save 2p/litre. Their opinions, thankfully, aren't worth a great deal.

[Dave200]

Tindersticks said:

Plenty of people run their tanks to fumes before filling up. Not quite sure why he’s getting grief for this.

I think it's just unhappy people trolling to try and get a rise out of a stranger, bizarrely they've chosen a thread about EVs (where I'm one of the few people posting real-world EV experiences) to do it. It takes all sorts.

Oddly enough, I very rarely let my ice cars' tanks to get below a quarter or so. This was one of those rare occasions where I did, and was let down by a rural petrol station. At least I had the foresight to leave enough contingency to get me to the next one.

[Jimjimhim]

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Dave200 said:

Jimjimhim said:

Is this petrol station thing still going?! Filling up a car is easy and very quick to do, if you run out of fuel then you really do only have yourself to blame.

Remarkably so. I somehow managed to generate both derision and claims of lying, just because my car came within a few miles of running out of fuel due to a series of events that were almost entirely out of my control.

You must have run the tank really low to be in that situation, so I would say it was totally in your control.

Yes, a petrol station unexpectedly running out of petrol was totally in my control. Dear me.

Running your tank so low before trying to get fuel was yes.

Leaving home with almost 100 miles of range showing and planning to stop with a comfortable margin of error (which I ended up needing due to issues completely out of my control) doesn't sound like I was to "blame" for anything. Dear me.

Nearly running out was your fault, you can't blame others for it.

A comfortable margin, so say 50 miles of fuel? So you stopped at a petrol station, then drove on to the next one, doesn't really seem like a story that was worth telling to be honest.