EVs... no one wants them!
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FiF said:
Unfortunately your story just doesn't wash.
Going on a long trip in a V8 that "likes a drink", not doing what any responsible person does, basically the POWER checks, and then heads out presumably into the wilderness, apparently not passing any convenient filling stations en route, to stop at a wayside somewhere in the sticks filling station that's got no fuel, despite having staff in attendance, didn't then try another pump as suggested by the staff just to divert a few miles to a main road station.
LoL.
And supposedly by a enthusiast and competitor in motorsport. Maybe it really happened like that, but definitely an edgier than edge case. Sad state of affairs. If it is true, hang your head in shame and learn a lesson from it.
Lots of projection going on there, chief. And lots of twisting of the facts. Not really a suprise given your canon of work in this thread. Going on a long trip in a V8 that "likes a drink", not doing what any responsible person does, basically the POWER checks, and then heads out presumably into the wilderness, apparently not passing any convenient filling stations en route, to stop at a wayside somewhere in the sticks filling station that's got no fuel, despite having staff in attendance, didn't then try another pump as suggested by the staff just to divert a few miles to a main road station.
LoL.
And supposedly by a enthusiast and competitor in motorsport. Maybe it really happened like that, but definitely an edgier than edge case. Sad state of affairs. If it is true, hang your head in shame and learn a lesson from it.
I'm away from home, in a rural part of the country I don't know well. The fastest route to my destination was cross-country, and I simply allowed the sat nav to plot my route and find a convenient petrol station that didn't require a detour. 30 miles is loads of contingency in my "enthusiast" opinion.
Just normal human behaviour, and hardly worthy of the silliness of "hanging my head in shame".
It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
Maybe I'm unusual but not once in over four decades of driving have I felt the need to plan where I might buy petrol on my journey.
Long unfamiliar trip? Fill up before leaving and then stop whenever timely but prompted by getting down to a quarter tank or so. Need a break en route - do it then. You run out of fuel through stupidity, not a lack of opportunities to fill up.
Long unfamiliar trip? Fill up before leaving and then stop whenever timely but prompted by getting down to a quarter tank or so. Need a break en route - do it then. You run out of fuel through stupidity, not a lack of opportunities to fill up.
Dave200 said:
FiF said:
Unfortunately your story just doesn't wash.
Going on a long trip in a V8 that "likes a drink", not doing what any responsible person does, basically the POWER checks, and then heads out presumably into the wilderness, apparently not passing any convenient filling stations en route, to stop at a wayside somewhere in the sticks filling station that's got no fuel, despite having staff in attendance, didn't then try another pump as suggested by the staff just to divert a few miles to a main road station.
LoL.
And supposedly by a enthusiast and competitor in motorsport. Maybe it really happened like that, but definitely an edgier than edge case. Sad state of affairs. If it is true, hang your head in shame and learn a lesson from it.
Lots of projection going on there, chief. And lots of twisting of the facts. Not really a suprise given your canon of work in this thread. Going on a long trip in a V8 that "likes a drink", not doing what any responsible person does, basically the POWER checks, and then heads out presumably into the wilderness, apparently not passing any convenient filling stations en route, to stop at a wayside somewhere in the sticks filling station that's got no fuel, despite having staff in attendance, didn't then try another pump as suggested by the staff just to divert a few miles to a main road station.
LoL.
And supposedly by a enthusiast and competitor in motorsport. Maybe it really happened like that, but definitely an edgier than edge case. Sad state of affairs. If it is true, hang your head in shame and learn a lesson from it.
I'm away from home, in a rural part of the country I don't know well. The fastest route to my destination was cross-country, and I simply allowed the sat nav to plot my route and find a convenient petrol station that didn't require a detour. 30 miles is loads of contingency in my "enthusiast" opinion.
Just normal human behaviour, and hardly worthy of the silliness of "hanging my head in shame".
It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
And my canon of work, like saying EVs are the future because they're better and more suited for what most people need and change when it suits. But also observing that the charging infrastructure needs further work and to make things easier for those who will wish and need to convert in the future. That canon of work?
If it really is normal human behaviour, to use your words again, no wonder that things are as screwed as they are. Think you protest too much.
You claim a dose of real world experience, again your words. I say nothing but an edge case, thank you for finally agreeing with me.
My real world experience. Last week I was in Liverpool for my monthly office visit. Filled up on Monday morning and completed the 530 mile round trip from Dorset, including a slight detour on the way back in Warrington for a Friday night out with some pals. This morning I checked the computer, 566 miles travelled since the last pit stop, with another 124 remaining... so I didn't divert into the fuel station on route to my daily Costa Coffee meeting with my 3 mates. Just thought I would add this as I saw a comment from someone yesterday about "these fictitious 600 mile range cars".....
For balance I will add that my mate Gordon travelled to our away match at Mousehole last season in his Kia EV Nero. It was exactly 200 miles from where we live in Dorset. He stopped at some chargers in Cornwall, just outside Mousehole, having not stopped on route and found them all empty. He was slightly worried beforehand about going to the far reaches of Cornwall in an EV, but all was fine. Good car that Kia EV Nero, I must say. He loves it. A 70 plate car on 120,000 miles, no issues.
For balance I will add that my mate Gordon travelled to our away match at Mousehole last season in his Kia EV Nero. It was exactly 200 miles from where we live in Dorset. He stopped at some chargers in Cornwall, just outside Mousehole, having not stopped on route and found them all empty. He was slightly worried beforehand about going to the far reaches of Cornwall in an EV, but all was fine. Good car that Kia EV Nero, I must say. He loves it. A 70 plate car on 120,000 miles, no issues.
FiF said:
Projection? Using your words right back at you. No twisting.
And my canon of work, like saying EVs are the future because they're better and more suited for what most people need and change when it suits. But also observing that the charging infrastructure needs further work and to make things easier for those who will wish and need to convert in the future. That canon of work?
If it really is normal human behaviour, to use your words again, no wonder that things are as screwed as they are. Think you protest too much.
You claim a dose of real world experience, again your words. I say nothing but an edge case, thank you for finally agreeing with me.
You seem like the sort of person who likes the sound of their own voice. The sort of person who's so insecure that they need to find controversy to make themselves feel better. That's a bit sad, not least because you're using a thread about EVs on an anonymous internet forum to do it. And my canon of work, like saying EVs are the future because they're better and more suited for what most people need and change when it suits. But also observing that the charging infrastructure needs further work and to make things easier for those who will wish and need to convert in the future. That canon of work?
If it really is normal human behaviour, to use your words again, no wonder that things are as screwed as they are. Think you protest too much.
You claim a dose of real world experience, again your words. I say nothing but an edge case, thank you for finally agreeing with me.
Still, if minimising my real-world experience makes you feel better, who am I to question it?
Dave200 said:
You seem like the sort of person who likes the sound of their own voice. The sort of person who's so insecure that they need to find controversy to make themselves feel better. That's a bit sad, not least because you're using a thread about EVs on an anonymous internet forum to do it.
Still, if minimising my real-world experience makes you feel better, who am I to question it?
That's it is it? Ad homs. Still, if minimising my real-world experience makes you feel better, who am I to question it?
Bye bye.
FiF said:
Dave200 said:
You seem like the sort of person who likes the sound of their own voice. The sort of person who's so insecure that they need to find controversy to make themselves feel better. That's a bit sad, not least because you're using a thread about EVs on an anonymous internet forum to do it.
Still, if minimising my real-world experience makes you feel better, who am I to question it?
That's it is it? Ad homs. Still, if minimising my real-world experience makes you feel better, who am I to question it?
Bye bye.
RichardD said:
To attempt to bring harmony to this Topic, here is a vehicle for Mr Badger 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu-BDixGYY&t=...
It's a smelly diesel .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qu-BDixGYY&t=...
Dave200 said:
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It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
Those 2 lines contradict each other?It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
"It's definitly an edge case..."
"a dose of real-world experience..."
It can be one or the other, it can't be both, and as you go on to say it's the first time it's happened in all your years of driving, so it seems to fit the "edge" case much better than a real-world experience.
greenarrow said:
My real world experience. Last week I was in Liverpool for my monthly office visit. Filled up on Monday morning and completed the 530 mile round trip from Dorset, including a slight detour on the way back in Warrington for a Friday night out with some pals. This morning I checked the computer, 566 miles travelled since the last pit stop, with another 124 remaining... so I didn't divert into the fuel station on route to my daily Costa Coffee meeting with my 3 mates. Just thought I would add this as I saw a comment from someone yesterday about "these fictitious 600 mile range cars".....
Fiction? Faction! My petrol Skoda Superb did Glasgow to north Wales and back in a day - 715 miles. A long enough day without enfoced charging stops. Granted those trips are very rare.
If I brim the tank it regularly goes past 600 in mixed local driving before it is low enough to think about filling up. Twice a month at the petrol station.
No range worries on regular 500 mile return trips to the highlands. Every month or more.
Is it a big deal? No. Once I am forced into an EV I will schedule a charge stop at Inverness or Fort William and just except my trips will take a bit longer, Not the end of the world. For 90% of my driving I could charge at home.
irc said:
Fiction? Faction!
My petrol Skoda Superb did Glasgow to north Wales and back in a day - 715 miles. A long enough day without enfoced charging stops. Granted those trips are very rare.
If I brim the tank it regularly goes past 600 in mixed local driving before it is low enough to think about filling up. Twice a month at the petrol station.
No range worries on regular 500 mile return trips to the highlands. Every month or more.
Is it a big deal? No. Once I am forced into an EV I will schedule a charge stop at Inverness or Fort William and just except my trips will take a bit longer, Not the end of the world. For 90% of my driving I could charge at home.
My 2008 Skoda Octavia (the legendary 1.9tdi) will easily do 600+ miles on a tank of diesel, I'm sure I have seen 700+ and still 100+ to go.My petrol Skoda Superb did Glasgow to north Wales and back in a day - 715 miles. A long enough day without enfoced charging stops. Granted those trips are very rare.
If I brim the tank it regularly goes past 600 in mixed local driving before it is low enough to think about filling up. Twice a month at the petrol station.
No range worries on regular 500 mile return trips to the highlands. Every month or more.
Is it a big deal? No. Once I am forced into an EV I will schedule a charge stop at Inverness or Fort William and just except my trips will take a bit longer, Not the end of the world. For 90% of my driving I could charge at home.
And as you say, your 500 mile trip to the highlands is no big deal for a lot of EVs, with a single stop required. Both the range and charging options are only going one way at the moment, so it could be in 5-10 years time that a long range EV will do 800+ miles without a stop.
Olivergt said:
Dave200 said:
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It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
Those 2 lines contradict each other?It's definitely an edge case, being the first time it's happened in all my years of driving, and I never presented it as anything else.
Like I said, just bringing a dose of real-world experience to a thread sorely lacking in it.
"It's definitly an edge case..."
"a dose of real-world experience..."
It can be one or the other, it can't be both, and as you go on to say it's the first time it's happened in all your years of driving, so it seems to fit the "edge" case much better than a real-world experience.
Amateurs.
I ran out of hydrogen in my fuel cell car the other day.
The most incredible thing happened though, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw one of the other 27 hydrogen cars in the country.
Flagging down the driver, I was immensely relieved to hear that he would assist.
Opening his filler, which I have to admit, required more than a little encouragement, required the use of a handy battery-powered angle grinder I always keep on my person for occasions just like this.
The process was then repeated for my filler.
With the sun now setting, and me detecting a moment of impatience from new friend, I cracked on.
Sticking a bit of garden hose down the neck, I was pleasantly surprised to find that there was no funny taste, no waft of fumes up my nostrils, and the whole experience of syphoning out the fuel was a fair sight more pleasant than the last time I sucked on a hose and got a mouth full of diesel for good measure.
In fact, hydrogen is not even a liquid, so I was able to use my lungs to transfer it from one car to the other.
For the benefit of anyone reading this and thinking of doing the same, let me warn you, you will feel nauseous, and may pass out and even die, unfortunately, if you overdo it.
However, if you take enough breaks to get some air into your lungs in between the hydrogen lungfuls, it's doable.
Who says it's not just like petrol!
I ran out of hydrogen in my fuel cell car the other day.
The most incredible thing happened though, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw one of the other 27 hydrogen cars in the country.
Flagging down the driver, I was immensely relieved to hear that he would assist.
Opening his filler, which I have to admit, required more than a little encouragement, required the use of a handy battery-powered angle grinder I always keep on my person for occasions just like this.
The process was then repeated for my filler.
With the sun now setting, and me detecting a moment of impatience from new friend, I cracked on.
Sticking a bit of garden hose down the neck, I was pleasantly surprised to find that there was no funny taste, no waft of fumes up my nostrils, and the whole experience of syphoning out the fuel was a fair sight more pleasant than the last time I sucked on a hose and got a mouth full of diesel for good measure.
In fact, hydrogen is not even a liquid, so I was able to use my lungs to transfer it from one car to the other.
For the benefit of anyone reading this and thinking of doing the same, let me warn you, you will feel nauseous, and may pass out and even die, unfortunately, if you overdo it.
However, if you take enough breaks to get some air into your lungs in between the hydrogen lungfuls, it's doable.
Who says it's not just like petrol!
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