EVs... no one wants them!

[MightyBadger]

NDA]omft123 said:

seem to recall this poster.....MB.... making snide comments

Nobody is entirely sure why he is here to be honest.

[FiF]

smn159 said:

greenarrow said:

I saw that article about Megane e-techs earlier on my home page and surprise surprise it was the Daily Express who were behind the click bait. I don't own an EV and am not particularly pro or anti, but even I think these tory loving rags are getting a bit sad with their continual anti electric car posts. If its not the Express its the Mail or GB News looking for an angle.

Just the way that modern media works sadly. If your target demographic wants to read anti-EV stuff, that's what you'll serve them to keep them clicking away.

Those consuming their media at the dumb end don't care what's true, they just want prejudiced reinforced.

Just for record the place where I saw that article about the Megane wasn't any of those three mentioned. It was just another article in a regular source.

Still wouldn't be PH without the regular tactic of
criticise the source rather than the content.

It's the way the media works with syndication and the same story repeatedly popping up.

Still maintain what's needed is a proper investigation to figure out the truth. Certainly back on the Auto Express long term test can see that their first report, in a cold spell quoted a real range of ~140 miles vs a 287 WLTP. Which is frankly a bit rubbish. Over the 6000 miles of their test it got better though.

[MightyBadger]

Is it really only me who finds these things interesting, would have though a few of you would be EV owners.

https://youtu.be/rkxMdmipYqM?si=OBk3j_Aawb3lX-xB

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 18:59

[DonkeyApple]

The trouble is that you have an oil based economy where many inhabitants are travelling very large distances but are 100 years away from riding donkeys versus an economy with no oil and where no one had cars until a few years ago and where those outside of the cities aren't generally travelling and still living an 18th century pre industrial lifestyle. China is specifically investing in EVs precisely so that their transport cannot be held to ransom by the US. The US has huge swathes that are anti EVs because petrol is so cheap and they are used to being able to travel unrestricted.

Also, don't forget that the US bangs on about Chinese factory subsidies, as does the EU but they're obviously being disingenuous as they both massively subsidise their industries and have done so for over 100 years, as well as then enacting new global legislation that forces other nations to then buy from them. China, being a new economy, has no real VC or capital market so the only entity within its shores that could supply funding was the government.

Meanwhile, the U.K. can be self sufficient for energy and free of US manipulation and we can also play China off against European car manufacturers so as to end the car rip off pricing.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 1st July 21:14

[MightyBadger]

I hope BYDs battery tech has improved as they are one of the manufacturers leading the charge.

I know this is a Daily Mail article but please take care if you have an MG4 (lane assist).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:13

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:14

[loudlashadjuster]

MightyBadger said:

I hope BYDs battery tech has improved as they are one of the manufacturers leading the charge.

I know this is a Daily Mail article but please take care if you have an MG4 (lane assist).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

Our recently departed diesel Audi did the same. Those systems are generally garbage and should be switched off every trip. Method of propulsion has nothing to do with it.

[PinkHouse]

MightyBadger said:

Promising
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-1...

It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination

[halo34]

PinkHouse said:

It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination

I dont see any nirvana painters in here - most of us are brutally honest that it requires a degree of choice between drivetrain methods to suit your circumstances.

I do struggle to understand why so many people might be running completely out of charge however, given a recent Carwow video showing apart from the Porsche you get plenty warning and distance to charge before it starts to cut the power.

[MightyBadger]

loudlashadjuster said:

Our recently departed diesel Audi did the same. Those systems are generally garbage and should be switched off every trip. Method of propulsion has nothing to do with it.

I completely agree 100%. There might be MG4 owners in this thread that might not know about the possible fault hence posting it here.

I would never use lane assist on a car regardless of what car it was on.

[nickfrog]

PinkHouse said:

It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination

Not sure this thread is good for you if you let things get to you so much to the point of inventing stuff and being soooo defensive and emotionally fragile. It's just a car.

[PinkHouse]

nickfrog said:

PinkHouse said:

It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination

Not sure this thread is good for you if you let things get to you so much to the point of inventing stuff and being soooo defensive and emotionally fragile. It's just a car.

Tell that to the folks that think they are intellectually superior because they own an EV. So far I've seen posts about the decline in average IQ and much more abuse targeted at people that simply don't want EVs at the moment. I agree, it's just a car and no one is getting an award from the Mensa Foundation

[nickfrog]

PinkHouse said:

Tell that to the folks that think they are intellectually superior because they own an EV. So far I've seen posts about the decline in average IQ and much more abuse targeted at people that simply don't want EVs at the moment. I agree, it's just a car and no one is getting an award from the Mensa Foundation

Don't worry too much, relax. It's not that bad. I don't think people are out to make fun of you or your IQ.
I think you're disasterising a little.

[M4cruiser]

page3 said:

M4cruiser said:

page3 said:

Times have changed. Our £99 deposit, £129/month Leaf came with both a granny charger and a 7kW podpoint home charger.

I'm guessing that wasn't a brand new Leaf? The old ones would have a granny charger if it came with one when new, and if the previous owner hasn't lost it. And as the previous poster says, the £999 cost of the podpoint is buried in there somewhere.

Yes, new on PCP. Long gone though, replaced with Ioniq, and now e-2008 and Tesla. The podpoint still working great though (with cable changed to a type 2).

Ah, that explains it! An earlier one, when there were "incentives", possibly including a £5K bribe from Boris or one of his many predecessors. Yes, they were "giving way" charge points back then. But the cars were £30K with an expected high residual, and electricity was much cheaper than it is now.

[M4cruiser]

MightyBadger said:

I know this is a Daily Mail article but please take care if you have an MG4 (lane assist).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:13

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:14

The Golf 8 does the same (Diesel) so don't buy a diesel!
As stated, fuel isn't the issue. The software for lane assist still isn't good enough for production.

[M4cruiser]

Anyone else on the M3 this morning see the white Tesla with a flat tyre?

Surely those clever cars, clever enough to find their own charger, can change their own wheels?

[ChocolateFrog]

MightyBadger said:

I hope BYDs battery tech has improved as they are one of the manufacturers leading the charge.

I know this is a Daily Mail article but please take care if you have an MG4 (lane assist).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:13

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:14

It's terrible. I can well believe it's forceful enough to pull the steering wheel out of an old lady's hands.

Mine regularly tries to steer the car, once towards the central reservation across a solid white line.

It also sees the arrows on the inside lane and I'd guess tries to take the exit more often than not.

[ChocolateFrog]

PinkHouse said:

nickfrog said:

PinkHouse said:

It's still over 4 times as many people running out in EVs compared to ICE cars. Unlike those with their heads in the sand on this thread that proclaim an EV nirvana, looks like people in the real world are actually experiencing range and charging issues.

Some on this might say that the people getting stranded with flat batteries in their EVs are too thick to understand how to properly use them but according to many above, EV drivers have an elevated intellect and consciousness and ICE drivers are just simple minded conspiracy loons and only post emojis on Facebook. If that's the case then I wonder how these intellectual EV drivers can't simply fathom remaining battery range vs distance to destination

Not sure this thread is good for you if you let things get to you so much to the point of inventing stuff and being soooo defensive and emotionally fragile. It's just a car.

Tell that to the folks that think they are intellectually superior because they own an EV. So far I've seen posts about the decline in average IQ and much more abuse targeted at people that simply don't want EVs at the moment. I agree, it's just a car and no one is getting an award from the Mensa Foundation

I'm sorry but that's all in your head.

You have my sympathy.

[ChocolateFrog]

M4cruiser said:

MightyBadger said:

I know this is a Daily Mail article but please take care if you have an MG4 (lane assist).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:13

Edited by MightyBadger on Monday 1st July 20:14

The Golf 8 does the same (Diesel) so don't buy a diesel!
As stated, fuel isn't the issue. The software for lane assist still isn't good enough for production.

It's better in the Toyota I've got at the moment.

Still almost useless but much less invasive. The pull of the wheel is very slight and much less intrusive.

The one on the MG4 really needs an OTA update at the very least.

[ChocolateFrog]

M4cruiser said:

Anyone else on the M3 this morning see the white Tesla with a flat tyre?

Surely those clever cars, clever enough to find their own charger, can change their own wheels?

Username does not check out.

[MightyBadger]

M4cruiser said:

The Golf 8 does the same (Diesel) so don't buy a diesel!
As stated, fuel isn't the issue. The software for lane assist still isn't good enough for production.

You mean the Golf 8 does the same, take care and maybe get it booked in and checked?

As stated earlier I wouldn't use lane assist no matter what was powering the car.