EVs... no one wants them!

[MightyBadger]

Dave200 said:

Anyone who can manage diverting to a petrol station, getting a free pump, filling their car with 100 litres and paying in less than a minute deserves some kind of medal.

Petrol station is on route to/from work so no diverting, always free pumps, never get petrol on hands (thought that was a diesel thing), pay at pump, gone.

Not a hassle at all.

[740EVTORQUES]

MightyBadger said:

smn159 said:

My monthlies are zero mate - how about yours?

Same, nil.

Would still rather refuel once a month than charging at home on the regular, that's just my preference though.

I can understand not wanting to public charge regularly, but really you would rather visit petrol stations than almost effortlessly plugging you car in after parking it at home?

Why? Is it the crisps and Kit-Kats on sale next to the checkout?

Home charging is as close to not having to refuel your car as it's possible to get.

It's an argument that's hard to fathom, unless this is your preconception not having actually tried it?

(By the way it's fine to have preconceptions about things that you have no experience of, just accept that you're more likely to be wrong than those that do have experience.)

[GT9]

Dave200 said:

We should start listing the things we'll miss the most from petrol station visits.

Mine would be the smell of petrol on my hands and the dead-eyed cashiers.

Trying to position the car to squeeze into the tiny gap left by the dozy person who parked 2 metres from their own pump.
Getting out of the car using Houdini style body morphing whilst carefully navigating my way around the greasy black pile of sand by the pump.
Clicking the trigger 5 times only to find the cashier has buggered off to assist someone trying to find the specific brand of dog food that their beloved Tyson simply must have.
Having to listen to the to the bloke filling his diesel telling me about his amazingly low fuel consumption and how it means his car is faster than mine over 500 miles as he won't have to fill it again.
I love that.
That's what I'm going to miss.

[MightyBadger]

[740EVTORQUES]

MightyBadger said:

Dave200 said:

Anyone who can manage diverting to a petrol station, getting a free pump, filling their car with 100 litres and paying in less than a minute deserves some kind of medal.

Petrol station is on route to/from work so no diverting, always free pumps, never get petrol on hands (thought that was a diesel thing), pay at pump, gone.

Not a hassle at all.

If you had an automatic petrol pump at home offering a 90% discount, would you still interrupt your journey to fill up at a petrol station? If so, why?

[Olivera]

Having driven ICE cars many hundreds of thousands of miles, I've never found filling up say once per fortnight as anything more than an extremely minor inconvenience. Certainly less of an inconvenience than public charging issues when driving long distances in an EV.

[halo34]

GT9 said:

Trying to position the car to squeeze into the tiny gap left by the dozy person who parked 2 metres from their own pump.
Getting out of the car using Houdini style body morphing whilst carefully navigating my way around the greasy black pile of sand by the pump.
Clicking the trigger 5 times only to find the cashier has buggered off to assist someone trying to find the specific brand of dog food that their beloved Tyson simply must have.
Having to listen to the to the bloke filling his diesel telling me about his amazingly low fuel consumption and how it means his car is faster than mine over 500 miles as he won't have to fill it again.
I love that.
That's what I'm going to miss.

How you have to charge every 2 days compared to his one fill in a month in his beloved old car that he paid for outright.

[smn159]

740EVTORQUES said:

MightyBadger said:

smn159 said:

My monthlies are zero mate - how about yours?

Same, nil.

Would still rather refuel once a month than charging at home on the regular, that's just my preference though.

I can understand not wanting to public charge regularly, but really you would rather visit petrol stations than almost effortlessly plugging you car in after parking it at home?

Why? Is it the crisps and Kit-Kats on sale next to the checkout?

Home charging is as close to not having to refuel your car as it's possible to get.

It's an argument that's hard to fathom, unless this is your preconception not having actually tried it?

(By the way it's fine to have preconceptions about things that you have no experience of, just accept that you're more likely to be wrong than those that do have experience.)

I can only assume that people don't like change. Charging at home is bloody brilliant - if that was the norm and people suddenly had to visit petrol stations the same people moaning about EVs would be in meltdown about that instead and spending their time online telling everyone how inconvenient it would be for them

[Dave200]

MightyBadger said:

smn159 said:

My monthlies are zero mate - how about yours?

Same, nil.

Would still rather refuel once a month than charging at home on the regular, that's just my preference though.

Even if you had one of these magical ice cars that can do 600 miles out of every tank, that's less than two full charges from my Tesla in a month to match that range.

In what world is that "on the regular"?

[halo34]

Olivera said:

Having driven ICE cars many hundreds of thousands of miles, I've never found filling up say once per fortnight as anything more than an extremely minor inconvenience. Certainly less of an inconvenience than public charging issues when driving long distances in an EV.

Long distance is fine with a 300 mile range TBH. Once recently I have one issue with a cable being locked in but that's down to shaky deployment by the Scottish Government of their charge points, not the cars fault.

I have covered 1000s of miles in both and frankly sitting in the car charging after a stretch of the legs is quite relaxing. Its just a change in habit, assuming you do long distance regularly then just maybe EV isn't for you and some choices could be made, heaven forbid.

[DonkeyApple]

smn159 said:

MightyBadger said:

smn159 said:

Me neither. I actually prefer it to spending time in stty petrol stations and coming away >£100 poorer but each to their own

£100 poorer?

Assuming your monthlies are more than £100?

One five minute visit to a petrol station a month still seems less of a faff than plugging in every/day few days.

My monthlies are zero mate - how about yours?

But that's an anomaly amongst the new and approved used car segment.

Plus, one of the most common subjects amongst EV users is money, it's raised in the bulk of posts such as not paying £100 for petrol so it is all very much about money but everyone's finances are different so whether an EV makes sense financially is going to differ between people.

As a financial nerd, I see lots of man maths heavily at work alongside the usual oniomania.

[thecremeegg]

I got my i4 on 7000 miles a year ago, it's now on 30k and I've used public charging out of NECESSITY maybe 4 or 5 times? Every other time I've plugged it in whilst parking or at a friends etc for a top up just because it's there.

[MightyBadger]

740EVTORQUES said:

If you had an automatic petrol pump at home offering a 90% discount, would you still interrupt your journey to fill up at a petrol station? If so, why?

You can't get automatic petrol pumps for your home offering a 90% discount

[740EVTORQUES]

MightyBadger said:

740EVTORQUES said:

If you had an automatic petrol pump at home offering a 90% discount, would you still interrupt your journey to fill up at a petrol station? If so, why?

You can't get automatic petrol pumps for your home offering a 90% discount

You can, it’s called a level 2 EV charger

[Rusty Old-Banger]

GT9 said:

Dave200 said:

We should start listing the things we'll miss the most from petrol station visits.

Mine would be the smell of petrol on my hands and the dead-eyed cashiers.

Trying to position the car to squeeze into the tiny gap left by the dozy person who parked 2 metres from their own pump.
Getting out of the car using Houdini style body morphing whilst carefully navigating my way around the greasy black pile of sand by the pump.
Clicking the trigger 5 times only to find the cashier has buggered off to assist someone trying to find the specific brand of dog food that their beloved Tyson simply must have.
Having to listen to the to the bloke filling his diesel telling me about his amazingly low fuel consumption and how it means his car is faster than mine over 500 miles as he won't have to fill it again.
I love that.
That's what I'm going to miss.

Mate, find a better petrol station. I can't remember the last time I had a petrol station experience like that.

(FWIW I am ambivolous on EV - very impressed by Tesla, and I'd have an EV tomorrow if they made an accessible, affordable genuine 7-seater!)

[Rusty Old-Banger]

MightyBadger said:

740EVTORQUES said:

If you had an automatic petrol pump at home offering a 90% discount, would you still interrupt your journey to fill up at a petrol station? If so, why?

You can't get automatic petrol pumps for your home offering a 90% discount

Close though...

[Dave200]

MightyBadger said:

Dave200 said:

Anyone who can manage diverting to a petrol station, getting a free pump, filling their car with 100 litres and paying in less than a minute deserves some kind of medal.

Petrol station is on route to/from work so no diverting, always free pumps, never get petrol on hands (thought that was a diesel thing), pay at pump, gone.

Not a hassle at all.

These magic 100L/minute passenger fuel pumps are a new one on me.

Assuming you've never, ever waited on someone else filling their car up? Or never, ever had even slightly dirty hands? Or never, ever been to a petrol station which doesn't accept pay at pump?

If so, you're the luckiest man alive. Me? I just pull onto my driveway and spend ~10 seconds plugging in.

[MightyBadger]

740EVTORQUES said:

You can, it’s called a level 2 EV charger

Im sure that's great for everyone who has one or drives an EV, it probably even makes the EV peasants who don't have home charging jelous.

You can't get automatic home petrol pumps that offer 90% discount, if they did we would all have them

[740EVTORQUES]

MightyBadger said:

740EVTORQUES said:

You can, it’s called a level 2 EV charger

Im sure that's great for everyone who has one or drives an EV, it probably even makes the EV peasants who don't have home charging jelous.

You can't get automatic home petrol pumps that offer 90% discount, if they did we would all have them

It's called an analogy

[smn159]

DonkeyApple said:

smn159 said:

MightyBadger said:

smn159 said:

Me neither. I actually prefer it to spending time in stty petrol stations and coming away >£100 poorer but each to their own

£100 poorer?

Assuming your monthlies are more than £100?

One five minute visit to a petrol station a month still seems less of a faff than plugging in every/day few days.

My monthlies are zero mate - how about yours?

But that's an anomaly amongst the new and approved used car segment.

Plus, one of the most common subjects amongst EV users is money, it's raised in the bulk of posts such as not paying £100 for petrol so it is all very much about money but everyone's finances are different so whether an EV makes sense financially is going to differ between people.

As a financial nerd, I see lots of man maths heavily at work alongside the usual oniomania.

For me it's primarily about the convenience, practicality and the way that it drives. I was going to just replace the BMW 330i touring that I had, but fancied trying a Tesla and after the recent price drop I decided that a used Model S was worth a punt.

Of course if you love the clatter of a diesel it isn't going to be for you, but I like it a lot. The insurance is more, definitely, but the fuel costs are massively lower.