EVs... no one wants them!

[JNW1]

nordboy said:

Tomo1971 said:

nordboy said:

Is it worth considering an EV if I don't have a home charger? We're looking to move at some point so don't really want to install a charger at £1000 cost. That means I'll either have to use a 3 pin charger cable or use pay chargers. I guess it sort of nullifies the point of having one really? The ££ savings would be minimal over an ICE engine.

Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.

You may find some car sales include a home charger, they do pop up from time to time. Not cheap admittedly but are safer, particularly on older houses.

It should in the future help sell your home.

I've only seen that with new cars. I'm thinking of a used one. Saying that, reading some of the recent posts about charger issues, I may delay it a bit.

With some manufacturers you seem to get a wall box (including installation) thrown in if you buy an approved used car from one of their franchised dealers - Jaguar and Polestar are two that spring to mind. But I guess that's likely to be reflected in a higher purchase price relative to what you'd pay for an equivalent vehicle from a non-franchised dealer...

[M4cruiser]

JNW1 said:

With some manufacturers you seem to get a wall box (including installation) thrown in if you buy an approved used car from one of their franchised dealers - Jaguar and Polestar are two that spring to mind. But I guess that's likely to be reflected in a higher purchase price relative to what you'd pay for an equivalent vehicle from a non-franchised dealer...

I enquired of this with Nissan, and their answer is "no". Also a "no" to a granny lead on a Leaf that didn't come with one when new (granny leads discontinued from some time in 2021 I think).

[DonkeyApple]

M4cruiser said:

JNW1 said:

With some manufacturers you seem to get a wall box (including installation) thrown in if you buy an approved used car from one of their franchised dealers - Jaguar and Polestar are two that spring to mind. But I guess that's likely to be reflected in a higher purchase price relative to what you'd pay for an equivalent vehicle from a non-franchised dealer...

I enquired of this with Nissan, and their answer is "no". Also a "no" to a granny lead on a Leaf that didn't come with one when new (granny leads discontinued from some time in 2021 I think).

Nothing is free. All it would mean is that the cost of the charger is buried in the finance deal and at a higher initial value than if just bought separately.

[sixor8]

I'm surprised at an EV being supplied with no granny (3 pin) charging lead. I assumed it was a legal requirement, many of us don't have home chargers, and if you're renting, you probably can't have one without written permission, if at all.

[DonkeyApple]

sixor8 said:

I'm surprised at an EV being supplied with no granny (3 pin) charging lead. I assumed it was a legal requirement, many of us don't have home chargers, and if you're renting, you probably can't have one without written permission, if at all.

Much easier to just not accidentally buy one though.

I wouldn't buy one if renting as it presents hassles when moving to the next rental. Nor would I buy one if I didn't have easy offstreet. The solution for those two scenarios is to wait at least a decade or so while infrastructure increases etc.

[Boxster5]

DonkeyApple said:

Boxster5 said:

Anyone watched the clown fest on BBC1 last night with the Green Party deputy leader Adrian Ramsay regarding cars (amongst other questions).
They are planning to scrap all petrol & diesel cars by 2030.
“And how are you going to do that then” asks Fiona Bruce?
“We’ll introduce a scrappage scheme”.
“So how much will this gentleman get for his car asks Fiona Bruce”.
“I don’t have detailed figures for his right now”.
“But it’s fully costed…….”
Where in the he’ll are they going to get the funding to pay for that?
This lunatic sums up everything about the Green movement - completely out of touch and delusional.
No wonder people are turning away from the likes of these nutters.

The Green Party hasn't anything to do with the environment, they're just extremist political nutters on the hard left of the spectrum. They're basically borne out people losing interest in the CND after the Wall came down and they were no longer terrified of When The Wind Blows so the nutters rebranded around a new fear with which to continue milking that particular vegetable army. All around the time that their exact equals on the nutter spectrum rebranded themselves from the National Front to the BNP before realising they needed in on the deeper pockets of higher earners so splitting the bulk of the benefit backed foot soldiers into the EDL and going after more people with jobs via the UKIP/Reform branded machines.

The purpose of the two parties is to keep the thickest of voters out of the way and not participating in the voting that matters. They'll be hoovering up all the CT potato people for example and ensuring their votes are worthless. A bit like the LibDems existing to keep the mental cat piss biddies away from the important stuff.

The people to actually look out for are the folks within Labour who have gone extremely quiet suddenly. Worryingly quiet. The folks who want all people out of cars, no children being educated outside of their indoctrination centres, no one holding assets and no one receiving unearned income are legion with a Labour Party that is about to become the controlling force within the U.K. and no one has heard a peep out of them. And they won't until next Friday.

Next Friday the shackles also come off the regional powers who have only been checked on their wildest ambitions for removing cars from private ownership by the party they operate under not being in power. That changes. Starmer's cabinet has no ability to stand in the way of the deepest desires of the regional mayors and devolved powers. And everyone has seen how they have worked against private cars while being shackled. Next Friday those shackles are gone.

I wouldn't waste a single second worrying about the Greens thinking that they can mystically get every skint worker in the U.K. to rush out and buy a new car today. That's just the insane ramblings of well meaning loons. I'd be worrying about the insanity of egregious, pernicious, spiteful components within the all conquering Labour Party. People who don't want change because they love the planet but because they are driven by an inexhaustible hatred of you and the filth like you that wants to work, be free and have rights.

I actually suspect Starmer won't last that long and we might all be begging Andy Burnham to come to the rescue.

Absolutely spot on.
It wouldn’t matter if I voted or not, it would make zero difference here in North Durham (it’s always been Labour).
Having said that Durham County Council lost Labour control for the first time ever and now has a coalition led by LD.
They’re no better than what we had - a case in point is when they have a “public consultation” and totally ignore what the majority are saying. Charging for car parking in Seaham to bring the town into line with everywhere else in Durham - 3,000 opposed, 87 in favour. Totally ignored and wonder why businesses are saying takings are down by 50%.
Low traffic neighbourhoods in Labour controlled Newcastle upon Tyne scrapped after uproar - traffic diverted onto other routes thereby moving the congestion elsewhere.
As you say, just wait until they end up in power……(they already have just got a Labour North East mayor in the recent mayoral election)
Like you the far left of Labour have been very quiet and yes Starmer is just a frontman guarding the gate - he’ll be gone once they get into power.

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DonkeyApple said:

M4cruiser said:

JNW1 said:

With some manufacturers you seem to get a wall box (including installation) thrown in if you buy an approved used car from one of their franchised dealers - Jaguar and Polestar are two that spring to mind. But I guess that's likely to be reflected in a higher purchase price relative to what you'd pay for an equivalent vehicle from a non-franchised dealer...

I enquired of this with Nissan, and their answer is "no". Also a "no" to a granny lead on a Leaf that didn't come with one when new (granny leads discontinued from some time in 2021 I think).

Nothing is free. All it would mean is that the cost of the charger is buried in the finance deal and at a higher initial value than if just bought separately.

Times have changed. Our £99 deposit, £129/month Leaf came with both a granny charger and a 7kW podpoint home charger.

[DonkeyApple]

page3 said:

DonkeyApple said:

M4cruiser said:

JNW1 said:

With some manufacturers you seem to get a wall box (including installation) thrown in if you buy an approved used car from one of their franchised dealers - Jaguar and Polestar are two that spring to mind. But I guess that's likely to be reflected in a higher purchase price relative to what you'd pay for an equivalent vehicle from a non-franchised dealer...

I enquired of this with Nissan, and their answer is "no". Also a "no" to a granny lead on a Leaf that didn't come with one when new (granny leads discontinued from some time in 2021 I think).

Nothing is free. All it would mean is that the cost of the charger is buried in the finance deal and at a higher initial value than if just bought separately.

Times have changed. Our £99 deposit, £129/month Leaf came with both a granny charger and a 7kW podpoint home charger.

Times haven't changed at all. That's a perfect example.

'Giving' stuff away to entice the sale is the same mechanism as offering 'zero' finance. We bury the charge elsewhere in the deal so we can say what we know gets the deal done. It's why in my industry the practice is banned but the way we get around the regs is to have a third party in the mix. Regulatory laundering, in essence. So with a car, my initial guess would be that the freebie weather mudflaps, chargers get booked as a cost to the dealer with them getting rebated elsewhere.

Nothing is ever free.

[FWIW]

FiF said:

I'm just reading his words and taking them at face value. Clearly you want to interpret them to suit your agenda.

Bless? And an x?

Jog on.

My agenda? Get a grip, snowflake.

[FiF]

I refer you to my previous answer.

[FWIW]

FiF said:

I refer you to my previous answer.

LOL x

[DonkeyApple]

FiF said:

Tomo1971 said:

Wagonwheel555 said:

Cupra Born.

Perhaps it doesn’t get on with the Ionity. Just frustrating we will probably only need public charging 5-6 times a year and on the very first outing after clocking up 2k miles using the home charger it doesn’t work properly.

Hopefully when we stop again it’s another brand and works fine

Look at using Tesla chargers that are open to all - they have 98% availability across their network, very very reliable. They also happen to be the cheapest.

And yet from Steve Cropley's column in this week's Autocar.




Sounds like the EV Tesla fan boy reach around club in action.

What kind of bloke is going to be chased away by three Tesla drivers though? Is this some kind of replacement motorway warrior pecking order to replace Mondeo and Vectra trim levels?

'Darling, did you have a nice day at work?'

'It was terrible'

'Oh, Lord, what happened?'

'I got chased away from the motorway services by three travelling salesmen!'

'Err, OK. I'm not sure this is working out Leslie. I think I'm going to start dating real women.'

[JD]

FiF said:

And yet from Steve Cropley's column in this week's Autocar.




Sounds like the EV Tesla fan boy reach around club in action.

It sounds likely completely made up nonsense, or someone who is a being deliberately thick.

"How's a bloke supposed to know which Tesla outlets can now be used by the rest of us?"

Well Steve, the app that you HAVE to use to make them work would tell you which you can use,

[charltjr]

Some people are pricks, who knew.

I’ve used Tesla chargers several times without issue.

[Olivera]

So it's summer roadtrip time and hence it's lovely to have ICE 600 mile range. No nerdish faffery looking for or worrying about chargers.

[Jk89]

EV’s only work for older, retired people.

90% of plug in hybrids are a joke including the one I had for 3 years.

30 mile electric range is actually 10 miles.

Takes 6 hours to charge for 10 miles.

Ridiculous.

ICE is going nowhere.

[sixor8]

Hybrids may be cack, I've always thought of them as a halfway house. My EV does 250 miles on a full charge (costs under £7 at home), even better than the manufacturer's say.

[tamore]

Jk89 said:

EV’s only work for older, retired people.

90% of plug in hybrids are a joke including the one I had for 3 years.

30 mile electric range is actually 10 miles.

Takes 6 hours to charge for 10 miles.

Ridiculous.

ICE is going nowhere.

funnily enough, i'm seeing more and more EVs where I live now. very few retirees unless they've packed un pre 50 years old.

hybrids are arse though, you're right about that.

[Wagonwheel555]

Jeez, after problems charging on the way there we tried the Ionity ones again on the way back figuring we were just unlucky. Same thing happened, started to charge then stopped after 2%! The gridserve ones were all in use

Fine, maybe the Ionity ones don’t like the Cupra, maybe it’s a software bug or compatibility issue.

Came home and figured I would try the one at Morrisons up the road considering we haven’t actually had a successful public charge yet despite doing almost 2k miles from
Home charging without issue.

These were GeniePoint, after 10 mins of downloading the app, registering, adding card details, this kept throwing up an error!!!

Kinda lost faith in the public charging really, think we will stick to the diesel for any journey we suspect we might need a charge to make it there and back.

Maybe it’s just bad luck but three times suggests it’s really not reliable enough to actually rely on it.

[tamore]

Wagonwheel555 said:

Jeez, after problems charging on the way there we tried the Ionity ones again on the way back figuring we were just unlucky. Same thing happened, started to charge then stopped after 2%! The gridserve ones were all in use

Fine, maybe the Ionity ones don’t like the Cupra, maybe it’s a software bug or compatibility issue.

Came home and figured I would try the one at Morrisons up the road considering we haven’t actually had a successful public charge yet despite doing almost 2k miles from
Home charging without issue.

These were GeniePoint, after 10 mins of downloading the app, registering, adding card details, this kept throwing up an error!!!

Kinda lost faith in the public charging really, think we will stick to the diesel for any journey we suspect we might need a charge to make it there and back.

Maybe it’s just bad luck but three times suggests it’s really not reliable enough to actually rely on it.

i'd be raising this with the dealer. could be a problem with the onboard charger.