EVs... no one wants them!
Discussion
GT9 said:
That would require newly made fibres and resin, both from fossil fuel.
Arguably, that's a better way to use fossil fuel rather than burning it, however it still leaves the challenge that carbon composites are a low-volume labour-intensive material to produce with a high QA overhead.
RE the dependence on fossil fuels, there is now commercial production of acrylonitrile (monomer used to produce the plastic fibre which is then oxidised to make the carbon fibre) from plant based feedstocks, and there are currently commercially available resins with substantially plant based compositions.Arguably, that's a better way to use fossil fuel rather than burning it, however it still leaves the challenge that carbon composites are a low-volume labour-intensive material to produce with a high QA overhead.
Scaling it up to 100k metric tons is another matter,
Alickadoo said:
Why not do a charge at your destination? Why charge en-route?
Well its easier to do it en-route, once we get to the hotel in Portsmouth the car will stay there until we come home. Otherwise I have to check in to the hotel, then go and find a charger meaning more driving.Cobham is en-route, we can pop in for 15 mins to grab a coffee and top up.
I won't need a full charge, I just need a top up so we can make it there and back.
plfrench said:
Yes it does. The title should say "EVs... no dealer wants them in part exchange" then it would fit better 
A Youtuber bought a Taycan from Porsche, after a while decides he wants a 911 instead. Porsche will only px the Taycan for another EV and not a 911 
https://youtu.be/77Yo4LpksWM?si=SAXFBTaDpYiXR_RA
MightyBadger said:
plfrench said:
Yes it does. The title should say "EVs... no dealer wants them in part exchange" then it would fit better
A Youtuber bought a Taycan from Porsche, after a while decides he wants a 911 instead. Porsche will only px the Taycan for another EV and not a 911 https://youtu.be/77Yo4LpksWM?si=SAXFBTaDpYiXR_RA
Where to start with criticism?
Why buy an electric car if all you are going to do is criticise it?
Buy one three years old seems to be the obvious answer.
The heater failing is Porsche's fault, not the fact that it is an electric car.
When you pull up at an electric charging point, get on with it - don't keep faffing around.
Plenty more.
otolith said:
Scaling it up to 100k metric tons is another matter
That's the nub of it.I did make the point earlier that sustainable composites are emerging but I'm not inclined to promote any silver bullets, we probably have enough of those being fired off in the alternate fuel threads.
Alickadoo said:
Just watched this video.
Where to start with criticism?
Why buy an electric car if all you are going to do is criticise it?
Buy one three years old seems to be the obvious answer.
The heater failing is Porsche's fault, not the fact that it is an electric car.
When you pull up at an electric charging point, get on with it - don't keep faffing around.
Plenty more.
I would imagine he bought it expecting to like it. Have you never bought something that has failed to live up to expectations? When that happens are you not then allowed to say you don't like it?Where to start with criticism?
Why buy an electric car if all you are going to do is criticise it?
Buy one three years old seems to be the obvious answer.
The heater failing is Porsche's fault, not the fact that it is an electric car.
When you pull up at an electric charging point, get on with it - don't keep faffing around.
Plenty more.
GT9 said:
That's the nub of it.
I did make the point earlier that sustainable composites are emerging but I'm not inclined to promote any silver bullets, we probably have enough of those being fired off in the alternate fuel threads.
I can only see demand for composites increasing, too.I did make the point earlier that sustainable composites are emerging but I'm not inclined to promote any silver bullets, we probably have enough of those being fired off in the alternate fuel threads.
Richard-D said:
I would imagine he bought it expecting to like it. Have you never bought something that has failed to live up to expectations? When that happens are you not then allowed to say you don't like it?
You are allowed to say anything you like.However, I think he should try to be logical. Constant remarks about 'milk floats' are, I think, childish.
cidered77 said:
what an absolutely seminal piece of design that I3 was..... now getting towards 12 years old.
Also rather stark how comparatively little progress we've made. That car with the range extender was an ideal second car for millions of drivers, and if you lived in a city was likely all you need. But all that time later and EVs even today struggling to establish themselves as a risk free choice for single car households.
They gambled on low mass and efficiency together with a lower capacity lighter battery, and that's still probably the way things need to move longer term....
My wife won't even entertain me having one. She says they look like a disability vehicle. I'd buy one tomorrow otherwise Also rather stark how comparatively little progress we've made. That car with the range extender was an ideal second car for millions of drivers, and if you lived in a city was likely all you need. But all that time later and EVs even today struggling to establish themselves as a risk free choice for single car households.
They gambled on low mass and efficiency together with a lower capacity lighter battery, and that's still probably the way things need to move longer term....
Richard-D said:
I would imagine he bought it expecting to like it. Have you never bought something that has failed to live up to expectations? When that happens are you not then allowed to say you don't like it?
Have no real opinion (or interest!) on whether that chap likes his Taycan or not - and course he should be allowed to say so. But let's be honest - all of these guys, all of the wanabee youtubers, and the actual youtubers - get paid by people watching. And people *love* anti-EV content online. So the algorithm shoves more of it in front of people, so more gets made, and so on.
Wind back 2 years and it was "you won't BELIEVE what Mclaren said about my broken car". As always, there's of course a real point in there somewhere, but also a lot of amplification for the "likes n'subscribes"...
Is it worth considering an EV if I don't have a home charger? We're looking to move at some point so don't really want to install a charger at £1000 cost. That means I'll either have to use a 3 pin charger cable or use pay chargers. I guess it sort of nullifies the point of having one really? The ££ savings would be minimal over an ICE engine.
Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
nordboy said:
Is it worth considering an EV if I don't have a home charger? We're looking to move at some point so don't really want to install a charger at £1000 cost. That means I'll either have to use a 3 pin charger cable or use pay chargers. I guess it sort of nullifies the point of having one really? The ££ savings would be minimal over an ICE engine.
Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
A 25 mile round trip would be around 4 hours on a 3 pin charger so in the short term you’ll be fine without a dedicated charge pointMost of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
Octopus Go have just extended the night-time cheap rate to 5 hours (00:30 to 05:30) at 8.5p per kWh from July 1st. You don't need a home charger for it; I've used a 3 pin plug since 30th March. You should be able to add 30 miles plus per night depending on how efficient the car is, I average 3.6 miles / kWh.
I've had to use public chargers twice though on longer journeys and that can sting. I used a fast charger mid-afternoon at 54p per kWh, but outside a costa Coffee on a Sat morning was 79p. Motorway services are often 89p or more.
I've had to use public chargers twice though on longer journeys and that can sting. I used a fast charger mid-afternoon at 54p per kWh, but outside a costa Coffee on a Sat morning was 79p. Motorway services are often 89p or more.
nordboy said:
Is it worth considering an EV if I don't have a home charger? We're looking to move at some point so don't really want to install a charger at £1000 cost. That means I'll either have to use a 3 pin charger cable or use pay chargers. I guess it sort of nullifies the point of having one really? The ££ savings would be minimal over an ICE engine.
Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
if you're 25 miles a day, we assume a moderately efficient car doing 3.5 miles per Kwh, then charging on a 3 pin at just over 2 Kw per hour would take just under 3.5 hours per day to replenish. Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.
Or looking at it another way, if you charged from 19:00 to 07:00, you'd stick in about 25 Kw into the battery, which should cover about 90 miles.
so not ideal, but not a disaster if that's all the miles you do...
nordboy said:
Thanks, still a consideration then. Maybe looking to get a used Kia eNiro, probably a 4+ for the nice bits.
For those running a granny, how do you use it, keep topping up or running it right down, then maybe charging back up over two nights for example?
Better to top up regularly.For those running a granny, how do you use it, keep topping up or running it right down, then maybe charging back up over two nights for example?
And limit to 2 kW to prevent overheating, make sure it’s a good quality socket and only use good quality extension cables (if at all) and unwind them fully to prevent overheating. The 3 pin chargers are not really intended for regular use, although they are fine as long as you are sensible.
(also, why are they called 'granny chargers'? Do granny's need recharging often?
)Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Friday 28th June 12:37
Alickadoo said:
Just watched this video.
Where to start with criticism?
Why buy an electric car if all you are going to do is criticise it?
Buy one three years old seems to be the obvious answer.
The heater failing is Porsche's fault, not the fact that it is an electric car.
When you pull up at an electric charging point, get on with it - don't keep faffing around.
Plenty more.
The key take away from the video is that Porsche is overstocked with EVs and wouldn't accept trading in (the car they sold him) his EV for a 911.Where to start with criticism?
Why buy an electric car if all you are going to do is criticise it?
Buy one three years old seems to be the obvious answer.
The heater failing is Porsche's fault, not the fact that it is an electric car.
When you pull up at an electric charging point, get on with it - don't keep faffing around.
Plenty more.
So in reply to the thread title 'Porsche don't want them' lol.
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