EVs... no one wants them!

[Ankh87]

This is the thing with public chargers. They are so unreliable which causes issues and once the public hears about this, they then are less likely to move to EV.
It's nearly impossible for you to go to a petrol station and not able to either put in petrol or for the pump to fail.

More needs to be done to make public chargers reliable, as it seems no one is giving a hoot about them.

[M4cruiser]

Ankh87 said:

More needs to be done to make public chargers reliable, as it seems no one is giving a hoot about them.

I'm confident the next government from next Friday will sort this out immediately, clarify the timescales of the switch-over, and incentivise local councils and businesses to set up many charging points in all towns.
(/exit J Clarkson sarcastic mode/)

[740EVTORQUES]

I’m not sure it is the chargers as much as some brands of car.

I’ve had very few problems with multiple brands of DC charger

[Big Nanas]

Wagonwheel555 said:

Cupra Born.

Perhaps it doesn’t get on with the Ionity. Just frustrating we will probably only need public charging 5-6 times a year and on the very first outing after clocking up 2k miles using the home charger it doesn’t work properly.

Hopefully when we stop again it’s another brand and works fine

That's annoying for sure.
FYI there's a bank of Gridserve chargers at Cobham about 50m away, that may work better for you.
But please, dont give up!

[monkfish1]

740EVTORQUES said:

I’m not sure it is the chargers as much as some brands of car.

I’ve had very few problems with multiple brands of DC charger

Not sure that helps much. Still cant charge the car.

Sadly, just another bunch of half developed tech. Cars used to pretty reliable, then we let IT people get involved.

[Hedobot]

The times i have unfortunately had to use public charging I just used a Octoverse compatible unit

Contactless with the card and it just worked.

Must have been lucky

[cptsideways]

Though the CCS Comms protocols is standard many brands seem to struggle with the concept. The problem always occur at the plugging in stage or SOC/kWh input, so you either get a no go like above or you get a very slow charge or none at all. Ipace is a common offender and lots of VW offerings.

Of course the number of dudd chargers is a massive issue too especially when the might be one at the location.

[Tomo1971]

nordboy said:

Is it worth considering an EV if I don't have a home charger? We're looking to move at some point so don't really want to install a charger at £1000 cost. That means I'll either have to use a 3 pin charger cable or use pay chargers. I guess it sort of nullifies the point of having one really? The ££ savings would be minimal over an ICE engine.

Most of the time it's a 20-25 mile round trip commute for me, with the odd long trip. Daughter will be going to Uni about 135 miles away in Sept so that will add some longer trips as well.

You may find some car sales include a home charger, they do pop up from time to time. Not cheap admittedly but are safer, particularly on older houses.

It should in the future help sell your home.

[Tomo1971]

Wagonwheel555 said:

Cupra Born.

Perhaps it doesn’t get on with the Ionity. Just frustrating we will probably only need public charging 5-6 times a year and on the very first outing after clocking up 2k miles using the home charger it doesn’t work properly.

Hopefully when we stop again it’s another brand and works fine

Look at using Tesla chargers that are open to all - they have 98% availability across their network, very very reliable. They also happen to be the cheapest.

[Boxster5]

Anyone watched the clown fest on BBC1 last night with the Green Party deputy leader Adrian Ramsay regarding cars (amongst other questions).
They are planning to scrap all petrol & diesel cars by 2030.
“And how are you going to do that then” asks Fiona Bruce?
“We’ll introduce a scrappage scheme”.
“So how much will this gentleman get for his car asks Fiona Bruce”.
“I don’t have detailed figures for his right now”.
“But it’s fully costed…….”
Where in the he’ll are they going to get the funding to pay for that?
This lunatic sums up everything about the Green movement - completely out of touch and delusional.
No wonder people are turning away from the likes of these nutters.

[FiF]

Tomo1971 said:

Wagonwheel555 said:

Cupra Born.

Perhaps it doesn’t get on with the Ionity. Just frustrating we will probably only need public charging 5-6 times a year and on the very first outing after clocking up 2k miles using the home charger it doesn’t work properly.

Hopefully when we stop again it’s another brand and works fine

Look at using Tesla chargers that are open to all - they have 98% availability across their network, very very reliable. They also happen to be the cheapest.

And yet from Steve Cropley's column in this week's Autocar.




Sounds like the EV Tesla fan boy reach around club in action.

[FWIW]

FiF said:

And yet from Steve Cropley's column in this week's Autocar.




Sounds like the EV Tesla fan boy reach around club in action.

Sounds like Steve Cropley is a bit thick…

[FiF]

FWIW said:

FiF said:

And yet from Steve Cropley's column in this week's Autocar.




Sounds like the EV Tesla fan boy reach around club in action.

Sounds like Steve Cropley is a bit thick…

So if that's the case, which it isn't, in your books that warrants apparently being ganged up on by a group of aholes does it?

Charming. Then folks wonder why they come across as some do.

[FWIW]

FiF said:

So if that's the case, which it isn't, in your books that warrants apparently being ganged up on by a group of aholes does it?

Charming. Then folks wonder why they come across as some do.

LOL! That escalated quickly. “Ganged up on by a group of aholes” ah, bless x

[FiF]

FWIW said:

FiF said:

So if that's the case, which it isn't, in your books that warrants apparently being ganged up on by a group of aholes does it?

Charming. Then folks wonder why they come across as some do.

LOL! That escalated quickly. “Ganged up on by a group of aholes” ah, bless x

I'm just reading his words and taking them at face value. Clearly you want to interpret them to suit your agenda.

Bless? And an x?

Jog on.

[andy43]

Boxster5 said:

Anyone watched the clown fest on BBC1 last night with the Green Party deputy leader Adrian Ramsay regarding cars (amongst other questions).
They are planning to scrap all petrol & diesel cars by 2030.
“And how are you going to do that then” asks Fiona Bruce?
“We’ll introduce a scrappage scheme”.
“So how much will this gentleman get for his car asks Fiona Bruce”.
“I don’t have detailed figures for his right now”.
“But it’s fully costed…….”
Where in the he’ll are they going to get the funding to pay for that?
This lunatic sums up everything about the Green movement - completely out of touch and delusional.
No wonder people are turning away from the likes of these nutters.

It was rather funny.
Tories - no new ice after 2035 iirc?
Labour - no new ice after 2030?
Greens - no ice after 2030. At all.
I think they know they’re not going to win

[DonkeyApple]

braddo said:

MightyBadger said:

I would have thought a cheap few years old Taycan would be a no brainer over dropping the same amount on a brand new family EV econobox?

Or indeed any brand new family car in the £40-£50k range.

Cheapest Taycans on Autotrader are 4 cars in the £42-44k range, for 2020 models. Isn't that about average depreciation for luxury cars?

What is their actual depreciation though? People still seem to be basing the calc on the original RRP number to create the largest possible result but that wouldn't be the correct number to use. There needs to be an adjustment for zero BIK etc. Did they get the plug-in grant back in 2020, I can't remember when that year the £50k cut off came into effect? And of course, these are all financed deals and back in 2020 the funding costs were much lower than today.

I suspect that the depreciation isn't as large as is being made out.

Most of the 2020 cars, well, as good as all of them would have been on monthly finance deals. The finance rate would have been mid single digit and the year three valuation VW had got wrong and made far too high. And most would have been acquired via the zero BIK scheme. Plus, there was 20% of VAT in there.

4 years on most purchases today of the 2020 cars will be financed one way or another but with no subs and much higher funding rates and no VAT.

As an exercise might it not be interesting to know what the typical monthly lease/pcp cost was in 2020 on these cars when new and compare that to what the typical monthly funding cost would be to the average buyer of the car today?

AutoTrader has about 70 2020 Taycans on offer and the adverts are showing PCP numbers of between £750 to £1,250 a month. Other forms of funding are not going to be hugely different.

What were the users of the same cars paying per month to use them back in 2020?

[Unreal]

FWIW said:

FiF said:

So if that's the case, which it isn't, in your books that warrants apparently being ganged up on by a group of aholes does it?

Charming. Then folks wonder why they come across as some do.

LOL! That escalated quickly. “Ganged up on by a group of aholes” ah, bless x

It's true, there are few things less scarey than being mobbed by a gang of EV drivers. Unless they were wearing those branded Tesla jackets of course. Those guy are a bit Sons of Anarchy.

Seriously, why didn't Cropley just tell them to fro which should be the default response to all busybodies in all walks of life.

[DonkeyApple]

Boxster5 said:

Anyone watched the clown fest on BBC1 last night with the Green Party deputy leader Adrian Ramsay regarding cars (amongst other questions).
They are planning to scrap all petrol & diesel cars by 2030.
“And how are you going to do that then” asks Fiona Bruce?
“We’ll introduce a scrappage scheme”.
“So how much will this gentleman get for his car asks Fiona Bruce”.
“I don’t have detailed figures for his right now”.
“But it’s fully costed…….”
Where in the he’ll are they going to get the funding to pay for that?
This lunatic sums up everything about the Green movement - completely out of touch and delusional.
No wonder people are turning away from the likes of these nutters.

The Green Party hasn't anything to do with the environment, they're just extremist political nutters on the hard left of the spectrum. They're basically borne out people losing interest in the CND after the Wall came down and they were no longer terrified of When The Wind Blows so the nutters rebranded around a new fear with which to continue milking that particular vegetable army. All around the time that their exact equals on the nutter spectrum rebranded themselves from the National Front to the BNP before realising they needed in on the deeper pockets of higher earners so splitting the bulk of the benefit backed foot soldiers into the EDL and going after more people with jobs via the UKIP/Reform branded machines.

The purpose of the two parties is to keep the thickest of voters out of the way and not participating in the voting that matters. They'll be hoovering up all the CT potato people for example and ensuring their votes are worthless. A bit like the LibDems existing to keep the mental cat piss biddies away from the important stuff.

The people to actually look out for are the folks within Labour who have gone extremely quiet suddenly. Worryingly quiet. The folks who want all people out of cars, no children being educated outside of their indoctrination centres, no one holding assets and no one receiving unearned income are legion with a Labour Party that is about to become the controlling force within the U.K. and no one has heard a peep out of them. And they won't until next Friday.

Next Friday the shackles also come off the regional powers who have only been checked on their wildest ambitions for removing cars from private ownership by the party they operate under not being in power. That changes. Starmer's cabinet has no ability to stand in the way of the deepest desires of the regional mayors and devolved powers. And everyone has seen how they have worked against private cars while being shackled. Next Friday those shackles are gone.

I wouldn't waste a single second worrying about the Greens thinking that they can mystically get every skint worker in the U.K. to rush out and buy a new car today. That's just the insane ramblings of well meaning loons. I'd be worrying about the insanity of egregious, pernicious, spiteful components within the all conquering Labour Party. People who don't want change because they love the planet but because they are driven by an inexhaustible hatred of you and the filth like you that wants to work, be free and have rights.

I actually suspect Starmer won't last that long and we might all be begging Andy Burnham to come to the rescue.

[Unreal]

DonkeyApple said:

braddo said:

MightyBadger said:

I would have thought a cheap few years old Taycan would be a no brainer over dropping the same amount on a brand new family EV econobox?

Or indeed any brand new family car in the £40-£50k range.

Cheapest Taycans on Autotrader are 4 cars in the £42-44k range, for 2020 models. Isn't that about average depreciation for luxury cars?

What is their actual depreciation though? People still seem to be basing the calc on the original RRP number to create the largest possible result but that wouldn't be the correct number to use. There needs to be an adjustment for zero BIK etc. Did they get the plug-in grant back in 2020, I can't remember when that year the £50k cut off came into effect? And of course, these are all financed deals and back in 2020 the funding costs were much lower than today.

I suspect that the depreciation isn't as large as is being made out.

Most of the 2020 cars, well, as good as all of them would have been on monthly finance deals. The finance rate would have been mid single digit and the year three valuation VW had got wrong and made far too high. And most would have been acquired via the zero BIK scheme. Plus, there was 20% of VAT in there.

4 years on most purchases today of the 2020 cars will be financed one way or another but with no subs and much higher funding rates and no VAT.

As an exercise might it not be interesting to know what the typical monthly lease/pcp cost was in 2020 on these cars when new and compare that to what the typical monthly funding cost would be to the average buyer of the car today?

AutoTrader has about 70 2020 Taycans on offer and the adverts are showing PCP numbers of between £750 to £1,250 a month. Other forms of funding are not going to be hugely different.

What were the users of the same cars paying per month to use them back in 2020?

Yes, if the RRP was £150K it looks like a great deal but RRPs are just part of a fairy story.