EVs... no one wants them!
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740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
Just catching back up and actually there has not been any refutation, just a load of false figures and assumptions talking about average CO2 per mile rather than the specific trip in question, and I'm sure you'll actually find the fat overweight comment actually came first in reference to the Alpine boss talking about disguising the weight of EVs 
Did you read that back before clicking submit?It makes no sense. Even if you assume the best possible conditions for the diesel and the worst for the EV (sustained medium to high speed driving, no traffic or towns/ cities) which is what the average calculations do, the diesel needs to be doing 100mpg+ to catch the EV.
Your logic is nonsensical I’m afraid, wishful thinking.
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Sunday 23 June 14:18
VW Passat uses 77 litres of diesel for 1500 miles with a CO2 consumption of 200kg (2.6kg CO2 per litre x 77 litres)
EV uses 429kWh @ 3.5 miles/kWh
or 375kWh @ 4 miles/kWh
German average CO2 intensity in 2023 was 0.385kgCO2/kWh, so in the two EV scenarios above then the total CO2 emissions will be 144kg and 165kg respectively.
These figures are with respect to fuel burnt and electricity generated only. The EV would have the much higher embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life disposal and then also the electricity transmission/distribution footprint. The ICE car has a much lower embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life recycling, but also has extraction, refining and distribution footprints too.
These have been in total much lower for ICE cars, which is why there is a breakeven point for mileage at which lifecycle CO2 emissions become less than their ICE counterparts, but it depends on the efficiency of the ICE car and the specific grid makeup for a true comparison.
Final thoughts on this 77 litres of diesel would cost £108 and the same trip would cost roughly £300 using motorway rapid chargers which is where the miles were driven.
Jimjimhim said:
tamore said:
Jimjimhim said:
Which do you think are good looking? If any that is.
quite like the R5 on the launchpad. don't think the ID3 is a bad looking thing.to be honest i don't give a toss what cars look like these days, i'm more into function. this is s necessity of my job though, and i've done the fun car thing in the past,
Thats a sad day if you're no longer interested in fun cars.
not so much i'm disinterested in fun cars, but not longer interested in trying to enjoy a fun car on our horrible roads, infested with drivers with inadequate skills. ragging my chimaera around the square mile at the weekend because it was deserted seems a long time ago now. live in the peak district now and the roads look like they've been carpet bombed, always busy, full of slow moving road users and just a bit rubbish. A-B as comfortably and conveniently as can be is the priority now, and always have the dogs in the back so drive accordingly. EV fits the bill perfectly.
happy for my 3 TVRs to be a vivid memory now. times have changed.
PinkHouse said:
740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
Just catching back up and actually there has not been any refutation, just a load of false figures and assumptions talking about average CO2 per mile rather than the specific trip in question, and I'm sure you'll actually find the fat overweight comment actually came first in reference to the Alpine boss talking about disguising the weight of EVs
Did you read that back before clicking submit?It makes no sense. Even if you assume the best possible conditions for the diesel and the worst for the EV (sustained medium to high speed driving, no traffic or towns/ cities) which is what the average calculations do, the diesel needs to be doing 100mpg+ to catch the EV.
Your logic is nonsensical I’m afraid, wishful thinking.
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Sunday 23 June 14:18
VW Passat uses 77 litres of diesel for 1500 miles with a CO2 consumption of 200kg (2.6kg CO2 per litre x 77 litres)
EV uses 429kWh @ 3.5 miles/kWh
or 375kWh @ 4 miles/kWh
German average CO2 intensity in 2023 was 0.385kgCO2/kWh, so in the two EV scenarios above then the total CO2 emissions will be 144kg and 165kg respectively.
These figures are with respect to fuel burnt and electricity generated only. The EV would have the much higher embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life disposal and then also the electricity transmission/distribution footprint. The ICE car has a much lower embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life recycling, but also has extraction, refining and distribution footprints too.
These have been in total much lower for ICE cars, which is why there is a breakeven point for mileage at which lifecycle CO2 emissions become less than their ICE counterparts, but it depends on the efficiency of the ICE car and the specific grid makeup for a true comparison.
Final thoughts on this 77 litres of diesel would cost £108 and the same trip would cost roughly £300 using motorway rapid chargers which is where the miles were driven.
It’s not a valid comparison.
smn159 said:
Jimjimhim said:
tamore said:
Jimjimhim said:
Are there any good looking EVs yet? All the ones I can think of are all really rather ugly.
surely only you can answer that question.Jimjimhim said:
Yeah maybe an EV is the answer, but I would need to put more money in to it if I did, a nice 330e is £14k where as a nice EV is £3-4k more + another £1k if I fitted a wall box.
So they're not all ugly, you just can't afford what you want?Where have I said that I can't afford to spend more? So are any EVs good looking?
740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
Just catching back up and actually there has not been any refutation, just a load of false figures and assumptions talking about average CO2 per mile rather than the specific trip in question, and I'm sure you'll actually find the fat overweight comment actually came first in reference to the Alpine boss talking about disguising the weight of EVs
Did you read that back before clicking submit?It makes no sense. Even if you assume the best possible conditions for the diesel and the worst for the EV (sustained medium to high speed driving, no traffic or towns/ cities) which is what the average calculations do, the diesel needs to be doing 100mpg+ to catch the EV.
Your logic is nonsensical I’m afraid, wishful thinking.
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Sunday 23 June 14:18
VW Passat uses 77 litres of diesel for 1500 miles with a CO2 consumption of 200kg (2.6kg CO2 per litre x 77 litres)
EV uses 429kWh @ 3.5 miles/kWh
or 375kWh @ 4 miles/kWh
German average CO2 intensity in 2023 was 0.385kgCO2/kWh, so in the two EV scenarios above then the total CO2 emissions will be 144kg and 165kg respectively.
These figures are with respect to fuel burnt and electricity generated only. The EV would have the much higher embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life disposal and then also the electricity transmission/distribution footprint. The ICE car has a much lower embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life recycling, but also has extraction, refining and distribution footprints too.
These have been in total much lower for ICE cars, which is why there is a breakeven point for mileage at which lifecycle CO2 emissions become less than their ICE counterparts, but it depends on the efficiency of the ICE car and the specific grid makeup for a true comparison.
Final thoughts on this 77 litres of diesel would cost £108 and the same trip would cost roughly £300 using motorway rapid chargers which is where the miles were driven.
It’s not a valid comparison.
PinkHouse said:
740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
740EVTORQUES said:
PinkHouse said:
Just catching back up and actually there has not been any refutation, just a load of false figures and assumptions talking about average CO2 per mile rather than the specific trip in question, and I'm sure you'll actually find the fat overweight comment actually came first in reference to the Alpine boss talking about disguising the weight of EVs
Did you read that back before clicking submit?It makes no sense. Even if you assume the best possible conditions for the diesel and the worst for the EV (sustained medium to high speed driving, no traffic or towns/ cities) which is what the average calculations do, the diesel needs to be doing 100mpg+ to catch the EV.
Your logic is nonsensical I’m afraid, wishful thinking.
Edited by 740EVTORQUES on Sunday 23 June 14:18
VW Passat uses 77 litres of diesel for 1500 miles with a CO2 consumption of 200kg (2.6kg CO2 per litre x 77 litres)
EV uses 429kWh @ 3.5 miles/kWh
or 375kWh @ 4 miles/kWh
German average CO2 intensity in 2023 was 0.385kgCO2/kWh, so in the two EV scenarios above then the total CO2 emissions will be 144kg and 165kg respectively.
These figures are with respect to fuel burnt and electricity generated only. The EV would have the much higher embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life disposal and then also the electricity transmission/distribution footprint. The ICE car has a much lower embedded carbon footprint from production and end-of-life recycling, but also has extraction, refining and distribution footprints too.
These have been in total much lower for ICE cars, which is why there is a breakeven point for mileage at which lifecycle CO2 emissions become less than their ICE counterparts, but it depends on the efficiency of the ICE car and the specific grid makeup for a true comparison.
Final thoughts on this 77 litres of diesel would cost £108 and the same trip would cost roughly £300 using motorway rapid chargers which is where the miles were driven.
It’s not a valid comparison.
https://www.carwow.co.uk/electric-cars/efficient?u...
https://www.carwow.co.uk/economical-cars/diesel?ut...
Jimjimhim said:
smn159 said:
Jimjimhim said:
tamore said:
Jimjimhim said:
Are there any good looking EVs yet? All the ones I can think of are all really rather ugly.
surely only you can answer that question.Jimjimhim said:
Yeah maybe an EV is the answer, but I would need to put more money in to it if I did, a nice 330e is £14k where as a nice EV is £3-4k more + another £1k if I fitted a wall box.
So they're not all ugly, you just can't afford what you want?Where have I said that I can't afford to spend more? So are any EVs good looking?
Which ones do you consider 'nice'? That should answer your question for you
HTH.
smn159 said:
Jimjimhim said:
smn159 said:
Jimjimhim said:
tamore said:
Jimjimhim said:
Are there any good looking EVs yet? All the ones I can think of are all really rather ugly.
surely only you can answer that question.Jimjimhim said:
Yeah maybe an EV is the answer, but I would need to put more money in to it if I did, a nice 330e is £14k where as a nice EV is £3-4k more + another £1k if I fitted a wall box.
So they're not all ugly, you just can't afford what you want?Where have I said that I can't afford to spend more? So are any EVs good looking?
Which ones do you consider 'nice'? That should answer your question for you
HTH.
Unfortunately a nice one doesn't answer my question.
PinkHouse said:
You realise that the Passat is nowhere near the most efficient production ICE car produced so it's far from the best case scenario. What would be the efficiency in miles/kWh of any production EV driving the same route at 55mph?
Model 3 LR will get 5 miles per kWh at 55 mph, probably not in winter though.Here's a question, how important is Germany's 2023 grid carbon intensity to the UK's decarbonisation effort that will span several decades, including the further decarbonisation of the grid, approaching zero carbon intensity at the end of those several decades?
GT9 said:
PinkHouse said:
You realise that the Passat is nowhere near the most efficient production ICE car produced so it's far from the best case scenario. What would be the efficiency in miles/kWh of any production EV driving the same route at 55mph?
Model 3 LR will get 5 miles per kWh at 55 mph, probably not in winter though.Dazdot said:
GT9 said:
PinkHouse said:
You realise that the Passat is nowhere near the most efficient production ICE car produced so it's far from the best case scenario. What would be the efficiency in miles/kWh of any production EV driving the same route at 55mph?
Model 3 LR will get 5 miles per kWh at 55 mph, probably not in winter though.Jimjimhim said:
tamore said:
Jimjimhim said:
Are there any good looking EVs yet? All the ones I can think of are all really rather ugly.
surely only you can answer that question.Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff