Don't make me agree with my wife: Range Rover or Touareg
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Here's a big reply I wrote to a previous, similar thread, comparing the FFRR and Twig...
We had a 56 plate 3.0V6 TDI Twig in the Altitude Spec.
It was a lovely car. Returned 28 - 30mpg on a run. The Altitude spec has everything you could possibly want on it (privacy glass, nav, heated front & rear seats, bigger wheels, decent body kit etc, etc). Performance from the 3.0 was more than acceptable to hustle along the road at quite a pace.
Ours didn't have air suspension, but to be honest it rode very well indeed on the standard coils & they are one less thing to go wrong!
The propshaft centre bearing is a common fault on the Twig, Q7 & Cayenne. If this fails, VW want c. £2,000 to repair with a new part. However, it is an easy job to get it refurbished & costs around £300.
We had a 4.4 V8 FFRR prior to the Twig & whilst the Rangie was a beautiful place to be on long journeys, the VW isn't too far behind it in comfort. This, combined with a tighter and more controlled chassis placed the VW slightly ahead of the RR overall for me - granted, it's not quite as big, but frankly we never needed the space of the RR.
We took ours off-roading occasionally over the green lanes around our village & with H & L range & proper difflocks, it was supremely capable off road & never left us wanting. As a winter car, wasn't quite as enjoyable as our Landy S3, but that's only because I really don't worry about sticking the Landy in a ditch!!! The Twig was very acceptable in the snow, but as always, it comes down to the tyres & how you drive it.
When we bought ours, we also looked at RRS's & Q7's. Personally, I prefered the look of the Touareg, as it wasn't quite as "council" as its direct competitors.
Overall, it was a great piece of kit that did everything we asked of it in great comfort and reasonable economy.
We had a 56 plate 3.0V6 TDI Twig in the Altitude Spec.
It was a lovely car. Returned 28 - 30mpg on a run. The Altitude spec has everything you could possibly want on it (privacy glass, nav, heated front & rear seats, bigger wheels, decent body kit etc, etc). Performance from the 3.0 was more than acceptable to hustle along the road at quite a pace.
Ours didn't have air suspension, but to be honest it rode very well indeed on the standard coils & they are one less thing to go wrong!
The propshaft centre bearing is a common fault on the Twig, Q7 & Cayenne. If this fails, VW want c. £2,000 to repair with a new part. However, it is an easy job to get it refurbished & costs around £300.
We had a 4.4 V8 FFRR prior to the Twig & whilst the Rangie was a beautiful place to be on long journeys, the VW isn't too far behind it in comfort. This, combined with a tighter and more controlled chassis placed the VW slightly ahead of the RR overall for me - granted, it's not quite as big, but frankly we never needed the space of the RR.
We took ours off-roading occasionally over the green lanes around our village & with H & L range & proper difflocks, it was supremely capable off road & never left us wanting. As a winter car, wasn't quite as enjoyable as our Landy S3, but that's only because I really don't worry about sticking the Landy in a ditch!!! The Twig was very acceptable in the snow, but as always, it comes down to the tyres & how you drive it.
When we bought ours, we also looked at RRS's & Q7's. Personally, I prefered the look of the Touareg, as it wasn't quite as "council" as its direct competitors.
Overall, it was a great piece of kit that did everything we asked of it in great comfort and reasonable economy.
My old man had the V10 Toureg and now has the TDV8 (2010) FFRR. The RR is an eminently nicer place to be and will do "proper" off road rather than just a bumpy drive.
I have a 2002 FFRR V8 petrol which my grandfather kindly left me when he left this mortal coil.
My order of preference (having owned/driven all three) would be:
1. 2010 FFRR TDV8 - will do proper off road, goes fast enough, insanely comfortable, no longer considered to be too fancy now that the new one is out. Very few cons to this vehicle other than perhaps slightly higher running costs v. the Tuareg
2. Toerag - will cost less to run in theory, goes like stink in a straight line, pretty comfortable, more low key. However, it won't go off road and you'll feel jealous when you pull up next to an RR at the lights. I shouldn't think that there's too much difference in petrol and servicing between this and the FFRR.
3. Pre-2010 FFRR. Love the V8 petrol but it is ruinously expensive both in terms of petrol and also the electronics going wrong. Silly for an off road car to have so many sensors which don't like getting wet if you ask me.
I have a 2002 FFRR V8 petrol which my grandfather kindly left me when he left this mortal coil.
My order of preference (having owned/driven all three) would be:
1. 2010 FFRR TDV8 - will do proper off road, goes fast enough, insanely comfortable, no longer considered to be too fancy now that the new one is out. Very few cons to this vehicle other than perhaps slightly higher running costs v. the Tuareg
2. Toerag - will cost less to run in theory, goes like stink in a straight line, pretty comfortable, more low key. However, it won't go off road and you'll feel jealous when you pull up next to an RR at the lights. I shouldn't think that there's too much difference in petrol and servicing between this and the FFRR.
3. Pre-2010 FFRR. Love the V8 petrol but it is ruinously expensive both in terms of petrol and also the electronics going wrong. Silly for an off road car to have so many sensors which don't like getting wet if you ask me.
OutOfSync said:
My old man had the V10 Toureg and now has the TDV8 (2010) FFRR. The RR is an eminently nicer place to be and will do "proper" off road rather than just a bumpy drive.
I have a 2002 FFRR V8 petrol which my grandfather kindly left me when he left this mortal coil.
My order of preference (having owned/driven all three) would be:
1. 2010 FFRR TDV8 - will do proper off road, goes fast enough, insanely comfortable, no longer considered to be too fancy now that the new one is out. Very few cons to this vehicle other than perhaps slightly higher running costs v. the Tuareg
2. Toerag - will cost less to run in theory, goes like stink in a straight line, pretty comfortable, more low key. However, it won't go off road and you'll feel jealous when you pull up next to an RR at the lights. I shouldn't think that there's too much difference in petrol and servicing between this and the FFRR.
3. Pre-2010 FFRR. Love the V8 petrol but it is ruinously expensive both in terms of petrol and also the electronics going wrong. Silly for an off road car to have so many sensors which don't like getting wet if you ask me.
Rubbish! With high and low range a proper lockable diffs, we took ours very far off road many times and never got stuckI have a 2002 FFRR V8 petrol which my grandfather kindly left me when he left this mortal coil.
My order of preference (having owned/driven all three) would be:
1. 2010 FFRR TDV8 - will do proper off road, goes fast enough, insanely comfortable, no longer considered to be too fancy now that the new one is out. Very few cons to this vehicle other than perhaps slightly higher running costs v. the Tuareg
2. Toerag - will cost less to run in theory, goes like stink in a straight line, pretty comfortable, more low key. However, it won't go off road and you'll feel jealous when you pull up next to an RR at the lights. I shouldn't think that there's too much difference in petrol and servicing between this and the FFRR.
3. Pre-2010 FFRR. Love the V8 petrol but it is ruinously expensive both in terms of petrol and also the electronics going wrong. Silly for an off road car to have so many sensors which don't like getting wet if you ask me.
schmalex said:
Rubbish! With high and low range a proper lockable diffs, we took ours very far off road many times and never got stuck
I do occasionally see a Touareg on AT tyres - I'm sure it's capable but it looks quite weird. I also found both Touareg and Cayenne to feel a little small inside compared to the D3 I ended up with.
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