What classes will there be next year?
What classes will there be next year?
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JulesV

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1,801 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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I assume that next year LMP1 and LMP2 will be pretty much unchanged.

However with the ending of the Corvette GT1 programme, how will the GT cars be run next year? I think I heard somewhere that Corvette were planning a GT2 campaign (GM permitting), does this mean that GT1 will be no more or is there to be some sort of replacement?

robmlufc

5,229 posts

215 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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I thought there was going to be a replacement for GT1 using the new FIA rules? I think thats what the GTR and Ford GT's are going to be running in, and I guess the new Vette, hopefully loudness wont be affected too much.

ellroy

7,825 posts

254 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76015

There you go, all the details that we have at present.

JulesV

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1,801 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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Thanks, very interesting. I do hope that we are not going to witness the diluting of the cars' character. For me, a huge part of the appeal of Le Mans is the diverse range of cars with umpteen different engine configurations.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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The Corvette has such a distinctive noisy growl, will be a shame if that same noise doesn't come back in the new GT2 car.

JulesV

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1,801 posts

253 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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anonymous said:
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Indeed, it would be even better if we could have a works Panoz team back again, maybe a rotary engined Mazda too just to ensure that I do not nod off in the sunshine.

Edited by JulesV on Tuesday 16th June 21:51

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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JulesV said:
anonymous said:
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Indeed, it would be even better if we could have a works Panox team back again, maybe a rotary engined Mazda too just to ensure that I do not nod off in the sunshine.
The first Le Mans I went to in 2000 had 5 Panoz running (with Ford V8's IIRC).


bobthemonkey

4,205 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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ellroy said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76015

There you go, all the details that we have at present.
with the caveat that P1 cars running homologated engines (Like the Lola-Aston Martins running the DBR9 engine) can still be up to 6l.

vetteheadracer

8,273 posts

282 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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anonymous said:
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The GT2 Corvette will run the rest of the ALMS season with a 6.0L V8 and then a 5.0L V8 next season to fit with the GT2 rules.


Banning Telemetry seems like a really stupid thing to do......for example at the moment most of the cars have tyre pressure warning sensors to try to prevent massive tyre blowouts at high speed as a slow puncture can be reported back to the pits and the team can pull the car in for a new set of boots.

Graham

16,381 posts

313 months

Tuesday 16th June 2009
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nothing to stop you having tyre pressure sensors and a warning on the dash though... and the driver can radio the fact to the team

//j17

5,068 posts

252 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Graham said:
nothing to stop you having tyre pressure sensors and a warning on the dash though... and the driver can radio the fact to the team
Can't see the point in giving the driver a warning he has a slow puncture. Lets face it some of them (yes, you Mr Lamy) can't manage to nurse a car back to the pits with a flat without distroying half the rear end.

FartKong

897 posts

212 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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I dont like the sound of ANY of those new rules. Making the engines alot smaller, almost half the size for the petrol LMP1 cars?!!?! WHY?!?!

Not impressed.

Red Firecracker

5,346 posts

256 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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FartKong said:
I dont like the sound of ANY of those new rules. Making the engines alot smaller, almost half the size for the petrol LMP1 cars?!!?! WHY?!?!

Not impressed.
Why? (are you not impressed)

They're making the P1 engine almost half the size across both petrol and diesel. The race laps are going to be (ACO hopes I believe) about 8 seconds slower, so that's 8 seconds across the board. The spectators will not notice it. Exactly the same reactions occurred when the current regulations came in (from the LMP 675's etc) and I think we've seen come pretty good racing since. Hell, the uproar when Group C changed even.......

The spectacle is all about relative speed between the classes.

Don't mistake those published regulations (and there are more in depth articles than just the skim read on Autosport) for the finished article. There will be changes, but not I suspect in engine size, that's been set for quite a while.

Edited by Red Firecracker on Wednesday 17th June 11:00

jimpritchard

4,247 posts

220 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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anonymous said:
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IMHO the best sounding car there!

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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ellroy said:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76015

There you go, all the details that we have at present.
Well that just looks like it gives the diesels an even bigger advantage.

DS240

5,651 posts

247 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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I never understand why something can't be done to make standard world LMP / GT regulations.

So teams entering cars in america / japan etc etc, can simply put their cars on a plane and race in europe or vise versa without making any changes.

Then keep the rules the same for at least five years.

I do hate the situation at the moment though where they don't know how to make fair rules for diesel and petrol cars, so they are competing the same level.



FartKong

897 posts

212 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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Red Firecracker said:
FartKong said:
I dont like the sound of ANY of those new rules. Making the engines alot smaller, almost half the size for the petrol LMP1 cars?!!?! WHY?!?!

Not impressed.
Why? (are you not impressed)

They're making the P1 engine almost half the size across both petrol and diesel. The race laps are going to be (ACO hopes I believe) about 8 seconds slower, so that's 8 seconds across the board. The spectators will not notice it. Exactly the same reactions occurred when the current regulations came in (from the LMP 675's etc) and I think we've seen come pretty good racing since. Hell, the uproar when Group C changed even.......

The spectacle is all about relative speed between the classes.

Don't mistake those published regulations (and there are more in depth articles than just the skim read on Autosport) for the finished article. There will be changes, but not I suspect in engine size, that's been set for quite a while.

Edited by Red Firecracker on Wednesday 17th June 11:00
Im not impressed because by making the engines half the size they are taking away the character and appeal of so many cars such as the Astons and Corvettes. Le Mans just wont be the same without those amazing engines screaming along all day and night.

Red Firecracker

5,346 posts

256 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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FartKong said:
Im not impressed because by making the engines half the size they are taking away the character and appeal of so many cars such as the Astons and Corvettes. Le Mans just wont be the same without those amazing engines screaming along all day and night.
Yes it will.

It has the same appeal now as it had when the Group C Jaguars were going down the (unmolested) Mulsanne. It has the same appeal now that different fuels are being used than when it was just petrol (don't forget there are 2 types of petrol used). Le Mans is not about 1 or 2 manufacturers, it is about the competition. I cannot see the reasoning behind condemning a set of draft regulations before they have even come into effect, especially when they have the potential to create even more exciting racing.

One of the beauties of Le Mans is that it changes and evolves, but there is always great racing and strategy.

FartKong

897 posts

212 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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The racing may be good but for me part of the magic of Le Mans is the cars themselves. Hearing the thunder of the Corvettes or the scream of the Astons gets the hairs on the back of my neck standing every time I hear them and in my opinion that magic just wont be there anymore with smaller engined cars.

NotNormal

2,422 posts

243 months

Wednesday 17th June 2009
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JulesV said:
maybe a rotary engined Mazda too just to ensure that I do not nod off in the sunshine.
I thought rotary engines were banned by the ACO following the win of the Mazda 787B in 91 ?