Why Porsche are using Penske?
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Has anyone any explanation why Porsche are outsourcing the Hypercar design and running to Penske, rather than their in-house team which has ‘quite a good’ CV … the current car is lacking performance and looking second-rate compared to the competition despite all the PR about extensive testing
Edited by ggdrew on Sunday 11th June 12:02
I am sure someone who follows endurance racing will be able to give a better explanation. But it is mostly cost.
Porsche were looking to commit to F1 at the time of the announcement, they wanted to run in IMSA as well as Le Mans/WEC. In LMDh manufacturers don't build the chassis they choose from 4 available and run standard transmission and hybrid system.
Porsche were looking to commit to F1 at the time of the announcement, they wanted to run in IMSA as well as Le Mans/WEC. In LMDh manufacturers don't build the chassis they choose from 4 available and run standard transmission and hybrid system.
Chassis by Multimatic, gearbox Xtrac//Williams
Porsche designed the Engine and bodywork
Penske are running the team(s)
Of course they have a successful history with Penske, but watching the WEC races in particular the team as a whole don’t seem to be on the level of the factory/Manthey guys
There are also some unusual decisions in the driver line ups, IMO
Why on earth did Porsche allow Earl Bamber to get signed by Cadillac, due to them not committing to him soon enough
Nasr and Cameron don’t really seem Porsche ‘type’ drivers either
From Porsche Urs Kuratle doesn’t give the same vibe as Pascal Zurlinden or Andreas Seidl did previously
Porsche designed the Engine and bodywork
Penske are running the team(s)
Of course they have a successful history with Penske, but watching the WEC races in particular the team as a whole don’t seem to be on the level of the factory/Manthey guys
There are also some unusual decisions in the driver line ups, IMO
Why on earth did Porsche allow Earl Bamber to get signed by Cadillac, due to them not committing to him soon enough
Nasr and Cameron don’t really seem Porsche ‘type’ drivers either
From Porsche Urs Kuratle doesn’t give the same vibe as Pascal Zurlinden or Andreas Seidl did previously
It's actually unusual for manufacturers to actually run the 'manufacturer team' in any top level of motorsport. Even in F1 the Mercedes F1 cars aren't raced by the Mercedes-Benz car company, but by "Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team" owned equally by Daimler AG, INEOS, and Toto Wolf.
Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
//j17 said:
It's actually unusual for manufacturers to actually run the 'manufacturer team' in any top level of motorsport. Even in F1 the Mercedes F1 cars aren't raced by the Mercedes-Benz car company, but by "Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team" owned equally by Daimler AG, INEOS, and Toto Wolf.
Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
Race operations are AF Corse. Ferrari build the chassis, do the aero and PU in-house which was why Ferrari kicked up a fuss over F1 budget/resource caps and dallied with Indycar. It's not like the 333SP which was Dallara chassis with Ferrari V12 for grunt. Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
entropy said:
//j17 said:
It's actually unusual for manufacturers to actually run the 'manufacturer team' in any top level of motorsport. Even in F1 the Mercedes F1 cars aren't raced by the Mercedes-Benz car company, but by "Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team" owned equally by Daimler AG, INEOS, and Toto Wolf.
Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
Race operations are AF Corse. Ferrari build the chassis, do the aero and PU in-house which was why Ferrari kicked up a fuss over F1 budget/resource caps and dallied with Indycar. It's not like the 333SP which was Dallara chassis with Ferrari V12 for grunt. Just off the top of my head from the Le Mans grid:
Ferrari LMH - Run by AF Corse.
Porsche LMH - Run by Penske and Jota.
Corvette LMGTE - Run by Pratt and Miller.
Ferrari LMGTE - Run by AF Corse and others.
If you think about it from the manufacturers PoV it doesn't really matter who runs the team, I mean I doubt you'd find many people reporting "AF Corse win the Le Mans 24hrs!" this morning. No, they will all be reporting "Ferrari win the Le Mans 24hrs!". So getting someone else to run the team gives you the same PR benefit if they win but without having to pay for the head count, and possibly with the team paying you for the car/support.
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/03/14/chassis-...
"Ferrari is starting the process this morning of switching the (Dallara-built) chassis on the #51 AF Corse Ferrari 499P."
- Though very much a bespoke-for-the-499P chassis, not the LMDH off-the-shelf-LMP2 chassis.
Edited by //j17 on Monday 12th June 16:39
//j17 said:
You sure about all that...?
https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/03/14/chassis-...
"Ferrari is starting the process this morning of switching the (Dallara-built) chassis on the #51 AF Corse Ferrari 499P."
So it's a Dallara tub. Am happy to stand corrected. I'm pretty sure Ferrari do the aero as well the PU.https://www.dailysportscar.com/2023/03/14/chassis-...
"Ferrari is starting the process this morning of switching the (Dallara-built) chassis on the #51 AF Corse Ferrari 499P."
- Though very much a bespoke-for-the-499P chassis, not the LMDH off-the-shelf-LMP2 chassis.
Edited by //j17 on Monday 12th June 16:39
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