Crit'Air - Rouen

[Rick101]

We'll take the scenic route South to Le Mans had planned to come back through Rouen.
1997 seems to be the cut off for vehicles now which I think we're just on the wrong side of.
V5 doesn't show any Euro / CO2 data (993)

It is a camera monitored system or do they have Gendarmes on every corner?
I don't recall even seeing a sign last year when passing through but I wasn't particularly looking.

Any tips or is the best tip just to avoid the place? Do we know which are the 'safe' routes outside the limits of the restriction?

edit, just noticed this link
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/files/tableaux_...

For August 97 registration would the correct be...?
EURO 1 et avant
Jusqu'au 31 décembre
1996


Thanks

Edited by Rick101 on Saturday 31st December 06:33

[Rick101]

Map
https://www.metropole-rouen-normandie.fr/zone-faib...

Still not sure which classes can clear which areas.

[delta0]

This is the current zone. It didn’t apply to personal vehicles last year. It does next year.


In January vehicles that are Euro 4 petrol and Euro 5 diesel and above will be permitted to enter the area. You must have a Crit’air sticker.

[Mogul]

Any news on whether it will be enforced with an ANPR system?

[Oldwolf]

I've got a TVR Chimaera so I'm sure it'll be excluded but I thought I'd apply for the sticker but it looks like my V5 doesn't have half the information required, has anyone else tried?

[Rick101]

Got somewhere this morning, with older V5 you just use the date, poss pre 97.

Came out as a Class 3 though so if that means you can't enter pretty pointless doing it for that vehicle or the rest of the group with modern cars.

Be good to know how it's enforced, or not. Imagine LM classic could be a bit difficult.

[delta0]

Mogul said:

Any news on whether it will be enforced with an ANPR system?

I have heard that’s 2024. It will be manually enforced before then. I suspect more so during Le Mans as the police are usually out in force at that time.

From January 2023 it’s Crit’air Green, 1 and 2 permitted with a sticker.

Edited by delta0 on Saturday 31st December 10:26

[Oldwolf]

Rick101 said:

Got somewhere this morning, with older V5 you just use the date, poss pre 97.

Came out as a Class 3 though so if that means you can't enter pretty pointless doing it for that vehicle or the rest of the group with modern cars.

Be good to know how it's enforced, or not. Imagine LM classic could be a bit difficult.

I think they must have changed process since I tried earlier in the year as it was quite straight forward, mine is 1998 and as you say it appears to go off reg date (along with chassis / reg etc) but is happy with no CO2 or EURO standard, I've paid my 4,51 € which is small fry so if it turns out it was worthless I can live with that.

It looks like I'll get a Level 3 sticker and as the website states:
' From 1 September 2022 the minimum standard will be Crit'Air sticker 3 for all vehicles. '
From here: https://urbanaccessregulations.eu/countries-mainme...

I'm sure everyone here is aware but go to the actual govt website otherwise you'll get charged 20,00€
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

Bon voyage!

[LawrieC]

Pending clarification, anybody without the right sticker will have take a detour, which if you rushing back to the ferry won't be fun. Perhaps Viamichelin or Google maps will start showing allowable routes

It'll hit the Classic harder, as the car club convoys are pre Critair

[Jordie Barretts sock]

For a start, your average French cop isn't going to know how old you car is by the registration. They also have no means of checking via your registration unless they stop you and inspect your V5. The French simply don't have the manpower to flood Rouen with police for Le Mans or the Classic to do this. And even if they did, the return on man hours wouldn't make it viable. Too many cars, not enough cops.

Even better, ANPR won't recognise your number plate. Too many of you massively overthinking this.

[NDA]

Oldwolf said:

I've got a TVR Chimaera so I'm sure it'll be excluded but I thought I'd apply for the sticker but it looks like my V5 doesn't have half the information required, has anyone else tried?

It might be. I have a 4.8 V8 Morgan which has a Crit'air sticker of '1'. Which is the same level as cars made out of lettuce.

[FredericRobinson]

The French can find substantial manpower to catch speeding Le Mansers when they feel like it so assuming they won't be able to for this is a bit risky, if they do it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for them.
However anyone expecting clear rules fairly and consistently enforced hasn't been taking notice, there will no doubt be multiple similar threads on what can and can't be taken into the circuit between now and June.

[LawrieC]

I've found a route planner, that adjusts for critair zones. It seems to work, and suggests that the main north/south route A28/N28 isn't covered. You have one free go , and then have to log in, but it appears to be free. It needs testing

https://drive2.city/

[delta0]

Oldwolf said:

I think they must have changed process since I tried earlier in the year as it was quite straight forward, mine is 1998 and as you say it appears to go off reg date (along with chassis / reg etc) but is happy with no CO2 or EURO standard, I've paid my 4,51 € which is small fry so if it turns out it was worthless I can live with that.

It looks like I'll get a Level 3 sticker and as the website states:
' From 1 September 2022 the minimum standard will be Crit'Air sticker 3 for all vehicles. '
From here: https://urbanaccessregulations.eu/countries-mainme...

I'm sure everyone here is aware but go to the actual govt website otherwise you'll get charged 20,00€
https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

Bon voyage!

It’s min Crit’air 2 sticker from Jan 2023. They didn’t require personal vehicles to comply with Crit’air until September 2022 (Crit’air 3), just commercial vehicles before then.

Critair said:

From January 2023 the minimum standard will be Crit'Air sticker 2.
o diesel vehicles must be registered on 1 January 2011 or later - Euro 5,6
o petrol vehicles must be registered on 1 January 2006 or later - Euro 4,5
These are the 15 communes that will be affected from 2023:
- Amfreville-la-Mivoie
- Bihorel
- Bois-Guillaume
- Bonsecours
- Darnétal
- Déville-lès-Rouen
- Le Grand-Quevilly
- Le Petit-Quevilly
- Mont-Saint-Aignan
- Notre-Dame-de-Bondeville
- Petit-Couronne
- Rouen
- Saint-Étienne-du-Rouvray
- Saint-Léger-du-Bourg-Denis
- Sotteville-lès-Rouen.

However I have also seen recently they may delay this and keep it at Crit’air 3 for a while longer.

Jordie Barretts sock said:

For a start, your average French cop isn't going to know how old you car is by the registration. They also have no means of checking via your registration unless they stop you and inspect your V5. The French simply don't have the manpower to flood Rouen with police for Le Mans or the Classic to do this. And even if they did, the return on man hours wouldn't make it viable. Too many cars, not enough cops.

Even better, ANPR won't recognise your number plate. Too many of you massively overthinking this.

It’s being done by registering for a Crit’air sticker so even if the vehicle is compliant it needs a sticker. ANPR will read your plate. Otherwise criminals would just put foreign plates on and drive around freely.

Edited by delta0 on Saturday 31st December 12:53

[RL17]

System is financed by lots of small sticker purchases - paid for by compliance, and hopes to achieve aims by compliance/behaviour (route) changes.

Any manual checking/stopping of cars on the mainly two lane moving jam through Rouen with loads of lorries in the inside land would have an effect on traffic like Professor's Peach's modified program in Turin and create worse pollution than previous years.

Can't see les gendarmes stepping out into the traffic or barriers across the main bridge to stop each vehicle as stickers are pretty small and no uniform place to put them.

[delta0]

RL17 said:

System is financed by lots of small sticker purchases - paid for by compliance, and hopes to achieve aims by compliance/behaviour (route) changes.

Any manual checking/stopping of cars on the mainly two lane moving jam through Rouen with loads of lorries in the inside land would have an effect on traffic like Professor's Peach's modified program in Turin and create worse pollution than previous years.

Can't see les gendarmes stepping out into the traffic or barriers across the main bridge to stop each vehicle as stickers are pretty small and no uniform place to put them.

Much more likely they grab you at the peage. They do that with people that speed.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

delta0 said:

It’s being done by registering for a Crit’air sticker so even if the vehicle is compliant it needs a sticker. ANPR will read your plate. Otherwise criminals would just put foreign plates on and drive around freely.

Edited by delta0 on Saturday 31st December 12:53

Right. So I don't register my UK registered car. How do they find me to fine me? They have no access to DVLA since Brexit.

[delta0]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

Right. So I don't register my UK registered car. How do they find me to fine me? They have no access to DVLA since Brexit.

In the same way they do if you go speeding through France.

[Jordie Barretts sock]

So they're going to have police sat waiting to nab everyone without a sticker?

Yep. OK.

[delta0]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

So they're going to have police sat waiting to nab everyone without a sticker?

Yep. OK.

It’s up to you if you want to risk it in France. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were collecting car details to pass on to the next peage. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they did nothing. This is France, nothing is certain or predictable.